If you are going to use the below advice of a Duotone bar with a Core kite, leave the Y splitter on the lowest red mark on the Click bar (just above the stopper bar). The Core bar needs a little bit of room on the lines and does not like a normal low V split, it wants a couple meters on the split between the two center lines or it will not function well in high wind and in Quick Release situations.
Overall the bigger Rebels are slower but better supported for a heavyweight rider. In strong winds the XR will warp more than the Rebel whereas the frame of the Rebel will flex to deal with it. I tested an XR6 9m and a 2020 Rebel 9m in 55 kts in Cape Town with loops, the Rebel will continue to perform long after the XR6 starts deforming. WITHOUT the extreme pressure of a 250lb rider in 55kts, the XR6 held up great until about 45kts. The extra support for the wingtip on the Rebels helps it hold up but causes it to be slower.
Overall I think SLS and eventually Aluula will do more to help the Dice/GTS than it will improve the Rebel/XR6 - the C kite derivatives would benefit more from the stronger/lighter material than the wide wind range Rebel/XR6.
Personally J like the Rebels better although getting a proper megaloop out of a Rebel is extremely difficult (not impossible) compared to the XR6 as the extra wingtip support line interferes with the ability to drive the kite below the horizon. For extremely light wind / kites bigger than 12/13m, the XR6 may be better due to the better response time.
Blackened wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:54 am
Kerplow wrote: ↑
Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:03 pm
I could go with Duotone again, but I have doubts on Rebels. I demoed 2019 13m and 11m rebels and I hated them - very slow, like tractor and not fun at all. Although, my friend let me test his 2017 or 2018 North Rebel 12m (the one without pulleys) and it was amazing - fast, responsive and does what rebel suppose to do.
Did you guys have tested the new 2021 rebel? Is it similar to 2019 year or is it much more lively, responsive, like old North's? I know, that they "officially" say that new Rebel is more agile and responsive, but I still worried about them having those pulleys.
The big Rebels are very different than the smaller ones. For the use case you mentioned, you'll need to demo those to get a better idea on their qualities. But yes, the big Rebels are slow and tractorish. It's why my big kites are Rebels
. I suspect the Rebel you tested was a 5-line 2017. The 2018+ are 4 lines and have a completely different feel than the old 5-lines. I didn't like my 2019 8m, but that's because it stalled in loops and I don't like pain. Pure boosting was fun though. I haven't tried the 2021, but the 2020 is different than the 2019. In reality, they aren't pulleys as the slider just sits against the stopper all the time. While my old Evo bridles were quite worn from movement, my Rebels don't have much wear. For the small kites, I don't think they really need to be any quicker for boosting.
Overall, they're extremely similar kites. The XR probably has better feel and slightly quicker turning, while the Rebel has slightly more hangtime (although, in the smaller kites this equates to about 0.05s). If you love the XR, then go with the XR. Don't wait for next year to get the XR7. Get the XR6 now. I think the bars are interchangeable, so if you want to stick with the Dice and go XR, then the Duotone bar should work on the Core. If I'm wrong, someone will correct me very quickly... If you're looking to get into looping, these aren't the best kites to start with, but I'd definitely pick the XR over the Rebel for learning loops (pre-2020 anyway).
As for GTS/Dice, I don't have any experience with the GTS and don't unhook, so I'm no help whatsoever.
Lets see how long it takes for someone to pop in something about Eleveight/Naish/theirfavouritebrand that wasn't asked about.