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Re: Bar interoperability

Postby Matteo V » Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:42 pm

knotwindy wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:56 pm
Back in the day Ocean Rodeo did not use equal length lines so in the newer kites the rear bridle lines needed to be different lengths when you used a newer bar as they did change to 4 equal length lines eventually. And they supplied a number of different rear line lengths with the kites to adjust for the differences. If you know how to trim a kite while flying it in the air it is simple to figure out. If not, have someone show you. Basically, with any kite you start with all 4 lines equal length at full power, put the kite in the air in light wind at 12 and sheet in the bar all the way. The kite should stay steady and slowly just barely start to back down. Easier to be show on the beach but a good skill to have regardless of the kite type. This is just a general rule as there is a lot of room for personal preferences as you get better. And if you are going to use the same bar with more than one kite any adjustments needed should be done on the kite bridle, not the bar side lines. :bye:
Excellent advice! Flying on land (even safer is in shallow water) in light winds is the best way to test and tune a kite. The "sheet in till it stalls in 7-10knots" is the best place to start from before you try some additional tuning during a session riding on the water.

But higher winds really dont do much for you with an unknown kite/bar combination. Not to mention that having a bad combo in 11+ knots starts to get dangerous. When I have shown up to a field to test bar compatibility, and the wind was stronger than 11 knots, I never really was sure of the line and bridle tune until a follow up session in lighter winds.
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Re: Bar interoperability

Postby magbre » Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:21 pm

Has anyone tried a Naish bar with a GA kite? Thinking about the Spark and it looks like it's a low V and should work.

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Re: Bar interoperability

Postby Hugh2 » Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:42 pm

magbre wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:21 am
Thanks all for the replies!

From that chart it seems a Naish bar should work with everything apart from Core, North & F-One. Ocean Rodeo requires "using manufacturer's supplied adapters" which I'm not sure what that means. But most kites are usable.

Now my next bit of research is what's a good alternative to the Pivot :D
Um, what's wrong with a Pivot??
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Re: Bar interoperability

Postby Da Yoda » Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:52 pm

magbre wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:21 pm
Has anyone tried a Naish bar with a GA kite? Thinking about the Spark and it looks like it's a low V and should work.
I've not used the Naish bar with a Gaastra kite, so I can't confirm. I do know older Sparks were designed for a high-V, but I think it was in 2018 when they switched it to a low-V. The Spark is a fun kite. It should work, but hopefully someone can chime in and confirm it. :thumb:
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Re: Bar interoperability

Postby magbre » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:52 am

Hugh2 wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:42 pm
magbre wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:21 am
Thanks all for the replies!

From that chart it seems a Naish bar should work with everything apart from Core, North & F-One. Ocean Rodeo requires "using manufacturer's supplied adapters" which I'm not sure what that means. But most kites are usable.

Now my next bit of research is what's a good alternative to the Pivot :D
Um, what's wrong with a Pivot??
Nothing at all; I have a 12m Pivot and really like it :D

I'm thinking of changing my 2016 Naish Park 9m for something a little less intense and can't find any older models of the Pivot around in that size. I don't want to splash out for a 2021 Pivot.
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Re: Bar interoperability

Postby magbre » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:56 am

Da Yoda wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:52 pm
magbre wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:21 pm
Has anyone tried a Naish bar with a GA kite? Thinking about the Spark and it looks like it's a low V and should work.
I've not used the Naish bar with a Gaastra kite, so I can't confirm. I do know older Sparks were designed for a high-V, but I think it was in 2018 when they switched it to a low-V. The Spark is a fun kite. It should work, but hopefully someone can chime in and confirm it. :thumb:
I've looked at it a bit more and it seems they are actually high V for the 2019 model so will have to look elsewhere.

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Re: Bar interoperability

Postby poulospack » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:49 am

Hello, there is an updated version of the graph, I will just leave it here:)


viewtopic.php?t=2403052
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Re: Bar interoperability

Postby Herman » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:53 am

Not been following thread but why not just use a V distributor. Duotone seem to have the V Distributor II that looks like it would work with most bars for going low to high V. That and pigtails would work for most cases...........?
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Re: Bar interoperability

Postby magbre » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:29 am

poulospack wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:49 am
Hello, there is an updated version of the graph, I will just leave it here:)


viewtopic.php?t=2403052
Nice one! Thanks for the link. Looks like low V works with almost everything.

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Re: Bar interoperability

Postby poulospack » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:16 pm

Sorry for the off topic, can you tell me how the center/steering lines connect to the bar? (I.e loops or knots). I just bought a Naish Triad and I'd like to know if I will need conversion pigtails for my rrd bar. Thanks!


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