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Re: Carbon vs Wood made boards

Postby downunder » Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:31 am

Matty V wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:17 pm
Seems like people are happy to call out others but not so willing to share.. or admit they are wrong. @downunder. How do I have three layer ‘Biax‘carbon?
Here:

"Even visible carbon on your board is biax. Cheap as chips when buying in bulk. U could use a wide squares tho, sells better."

Visible carbon! What did I claimed?

Just the same as u claimed ABS used for rails and PTEX for topsheet. Looks like u are confused with UHMW and HDPE, which one is industry using, what do you think?

And telling me to admit Im wrong? Wrong about what? PU or triax not used with most production cftt?

Share what? Ha ha you cant find my Woo stats on this forum and the builds?
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Re: Carbon vs Wood made boards

Postby downunder » Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:44 am

TomW wrote:
Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:36 am

Paulownia is generally cultivated, is renewable resource, whereby PVC cores are based on plastics( petroleum-based product) and nasty industrial processes.
Exactly Tom. Thank you.

Its is interesting how we need to defend every single info given even that the process of making epoxy and foam core is bad. Real bad.

Bio resins? I would love to know who is using them other than for PR stunt.

And Matty it really does not matter even if u built TTs. We do not matter. Get the input value of the parts and selling price.

Only that matters for me to judge the value. The FG board value is way better since we can buy a kite for price difference!

Again, if money is not a problem, all good.

I will not post the pics of many broken ccft boards ppl asked me to fix. Some were split in half. But, it is true the FG boards come to me in the same number. Judge for yourself.

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Re: Carbon vs Wood made boards

Postby downunder » Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:58 am

Matty V wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:11 pm
Very nice, just waiting for DU to tell you that you don’t know what you built it from :lol: :lol:
And Matty, I proveded some parts for this board if remember well ;)

Just like I proveded parts for many DIY builds around the Planet in the last 10 years. And helped hundreds of DIY builders with the process.

So there u go.

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Re: Carbon vs Wood made boards

Postby Matty V » Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:23 am

Still not posting your work but being inaccurate about others. Classy.

You woo records? Wtf are you joking? Is that some kind of holy revered tome ? we should all bow and scrape to your ‘woo record’

Why would I even be searching for that? Why would anyone?

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Re: Carbon vs Wood made boards

Postby Matteo V » Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:07 pm

downunder wrote:
Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:44 am
Again, if money is not a problem, all good.

I will not post the pics of many broken ccft boards ppl asked me to fix. Some were split in half. But, it is true the FG boards come to me in the same number. Judge for yourself.
1. Number of carbon boards in existence vs number of glass boards in existence needs to be put into your equation.

2. Care taken of carbon boards vs care taken of glass boards also needs to be taken to account.

Put those factors into your equation and you will find a pretty good confirmation of that impact resistance chart. 6 times more impact resistant for the same thickness of laminate is what glass winds up being over carbon. 6 TIMES! And that is even before you factor in that glass is usually more layers than carbon.

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Re: Carbon vs Wood made boards

Postby Da Yoda » Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:18 pm

TomW wrote:
Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:36 am
I've been researching this awhile, and building boards awhile.
Carbon is really stiff, but its brittle, resists impacts poorly, and once cracked will break apart.
S-Glass is stiff too, but has much better tensile strength and hence less brittle and better impact resistance.
E- glass is a significant step down from S - glass in stiffness, but has good tensile strength. Its used because its cheaper.
Looks like Flax could be another ideal material for board construction. :thumb:

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Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:44 am
Bio resins? I would love to know who is using them other than for PR stunt.
You should talk to Sicomin about that. Their GreenPoxy56 is not a "PR stunt".
http://www.sicomin.com

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Re: Carbon vs Wood made boards

Postby Matty V » Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:01 pm

Sonntag fins that have set multiple world records use precisely that resin system

Incidentally the boards I built were built with the same stuff and have ben clocked over 50 kts. Not for a publicity stunt either.

DU will say it doesn’t matter as it’s not being used In mass production TT boards or by him and his imaginary/lack of evidence board building empire.

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Re: Carbon vs Wood made boards

Postby iriejohn » Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:45 pm

Matteo V wrote:Sorry to disappoint, the last one was 11 years ago. But I'll try to PM you when I get back to the "Matteo's Hall of Records" (it sounds nice, though it's actually just a U-haul storage locker).
Unsurprisingly, still no "math" shown here from our resident polymath* aka bullshitter**. :lol:

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Re: Carbon vs Wood made boards

Postby Matty V » Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:53 pm

Maybe the math has been lost in the mists of time.. or maybe it was a poor choice of word and he is now hoisted by his own petard given his predilection for pedantry

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Re: Carbon vs Wood made boards

Postby iriejohn » Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:57 pm

Matty V wrote:
Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:53 pm
Maybe the math has been lost in the mists of time.. or maybe it was a poor choice of word and he is now hoisted by his own petard given his predilection for pedantry
Alas, poor Hamlet aka Matteo V.

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