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Help a big guy pick out a big board for big air

Postby SMJ » Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:43 am

Seasons Greetings all,

I currently have a few twintips (OR Mako's, OR Smoothy, LF Overdrive, Duotone Spike Textreme, and a couple old doors that collect dust), but none excel at big air, and that's the direction I'm moving towards.

Here are some factors:
1. Bigger rider (107 kg / 235 lbs)
2. Older (over 50) - knees aren't what they used to be
3. Intermediate level rider (sending 5 - 7m jumps, downloops but not doing powered kiteloops)
4. Conditions are typically 13 - 23 knots at our local spots
5. Plan to use the board with straps not boots

What I'm after in a board by priority:
1. Bigger board (at least 145 x 44)
2. Holds an edge really well (grippy) and releases well
3. Soaks up chop (minimal spray and easy on the old knees)
4. Good pop
5. Fast

Boards I'm considering (other big board suggestions are welcome):
1. Carved Imperator 6 145 x 44
2. Core Fusion 4 147 x 44
3. Axis Vanguard 148 x 46

I really like these boards but have crossed them off the list, since they're too small for my size given our local wind conditions:
1. Duotone Jaime Textreme 142 x 43
2. CrazyFly Raptor (LTD & Extreme) 142 x 43
3. Naish Monarch 143 x 42.5
4. Cabrinha Ace Hybrid 141 x 43

I'd appreciate comments from bigger riders (100 kg and up), but all opinions are welcome. Please refrain from suggesting smaller boards (less than 145 x 44) that are of no use to a heavyweight in moderate winds. I'd love to hear from anyone who has time on the Imperator / Fusion / Axis.

Thank you & Happy New Year!
-SMJ
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Re: Help a big guy pick out a big board for big air

Postby Blackened » Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:34 am

You're not going to be doing big air in sub 25kn at your weight. We call this, "normal riding". :)

Generally for big air, you want to ride a bigger kite so you can get away with a smaller board. Are you looking at getting rid of all your boards to replace with a single? Or are you wanting to keep one of the existing ones, like the Spike for lower wind days?
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Re: Help a big guy pick out a big board for big air

Postby SMJ » Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:47 am

Blackened wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:34 am
Are you looking at getting rid of all your boards to replace with a single? Or are you wanting to keep one of the existing ones, like the Spike for lower wind days?
Looking to keep the existing boards. I guess I should detail where the current boards are coming up short:

The OR Mako's don't pop well (rounded tail and are ridden with equal foot pressure).
The Spike Textreme does not handle chop at all (spits water in your face all day unless the water is butter, and it's brutal on the knees). The Spike has a completely flat bottom (no channels), so once the water starts to ripple you're in for a bouncy ride.
The LF Overdrive is probably the closest thing I own to what I'm looking for, but it's not a fast board and handles chop only moderately well. The Overdrive also has a completely flat bottom shape.
The OR Smoothy handles chop great, but doesn't hold an edge well, so I can't hold down a lot of power. The Smoothy is also the slowest board I own, and it doesn't pop well.
The door boards...need no explanation.
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Re: Help a big guy pick out a big board for big air

Postby SMJ » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:05 am

Blackened wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:34 am
You're not going to be doing big air in sub 25kn at your weight. We call this, "normal riding". :)
Ha ha! Fair enough! Let's change the topic to "bigger air." :)

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Re: Help a big guy pick out a big board for big air

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Re: Help a big guy pick out a big board for big air

Postby dracop » Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:29 am

Ive been over 250 for over a year, only recently dropped back down to 230.

Split my time between a 2020 Duotone Jaime Select Textreme 142 and a Core Choice 2 142. Ive hit 50+ ft airs with both.

The Jaime Textreme has a shape that planes early, letting it cruise like a bigger board. Seriously.

The Core Choice takes more skill and can be a pain to upwind if the wind is not cranking.

Both are harsher on the knees, especially the Jaime Textreme.

If you can find an older Naish Hero (circa 2016) they were awesome for a big guy due to the basalt. The newer (2019+) glass ones suck bad for a heavier rider.

You might want to look at some of the Eleveight Boards.
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Re: Help a big guy pick out a big board for big air

Postby 1234567Simon » Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:37 am

I learned on a twoAg Lotus. 155x46
I am only 75kg, so it will not be helpful for you.
I loved it!!! Now sold it, because having a extra board for those 8-11 knots wind days didn’t pay of. Starting from 12kn I consider „great fun“ with my small board.



But... I gave it to a lot of guys to try (because I wanted to try their small board).

My thoughts for you: be aware of the difference between „normal board but largel (Core 147)“ <-> „real door shape (Core 152)“

Be aware of 107kg making almost any board feel soft.

Be aware that with 107 kg in 13kn you need the door...

Be aware that starting from 15kn a normal large board might be better for your points listed.

Just my thoughts...
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Re: Help a big guy pick out a big board for big air

Postby Blackened » Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:08 am

SMJ wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:47 am
Blackened wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:34 am
Are you looking at getting rid of all your boards to replace with a single? Or are you wanting to keep one of the existing ones, like the Spike for lower wind days?
Looking to keep the existing boards. I guess I should detail where the current boards are coming up short:
The OR Mako's don't pop well (rounded tail and are ridden with equal foot pressure).
The Spike Textreme does not handle chop at all (spits water in your face unless the water is butter and it's brutal on the knees).
The LF Overdrive is probably the closest thing I own to what I'm looking for, but it's not a fast board and handles chop only moderately well.
The OR Smoothy handles chop great, but doesn't hold an edge well, so I can't hold down a lot of power.
The door boards...need no explanation.
The size you asked for is a bit hard to find. If you're not getting rid of the existing, then I'd say go for a smaller board. It's much easier to hold down more power from the larger kite you'll be riding for bigger boosting. At 100kg, I ride a 137 or a 138x41. If you do decide to size down to use a larger kite, it opens up a much larger list of boards, like the ones you already listed.

Off the top of my head, I could only think of two larger sized normal boards:
1. Flysurfer Radical 6 (144x46)
2. Slingshot Misfit (147x43.5)
I've not tried either of these boards. This year the Misfit apparently got a little more flex to help with chop as well. There's also the Naish Traverse, but I don't understand the point of that board.

I've been told width is the king for upwind performance versus length. It's also listed on viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2398639&sid=0e8eb6b ... 114f402787. There are a reasonable amount of options that are decent in the chop and relatively quick. This is a quick list that fits the relative size you're after with the characteristics highlighted:

1. North Atmos (144x43)
2. Duotone Jaime (142x43) - Rides a size big.
3. Crazyfly Raptor (143x43)
4. F-One Trax (140x45) - I have the Carbon 137x42. It's actually not harsh in the chop, but sprays a lot if the straps are not in the perfect position.
5. Ozone Code V2 (144x43) - I'm not a fan of the rounded shape and prefer the Torque.
6. Naish Monarch (143x42.5) - Rides at least a size big. The smaller sizes are stiff AF.

As carbon boards tend to be designed to be quite stiff boards, I left them off.

For those of you reading this and want to tell me off for not suggesting your favourite board:
1. This list is not exhaustive and what I thought of off the top of my head.
2. Eat shit and die.
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Re: Help a big guy pick out a big board for big air

Postby longwhitecloud » Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:13 am

Can i suggest losing weight. It may make a massive difference to your kiting. I did 10kg.. huuuuuuuuuge difference.
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Re: Help a big guy pick out a big board for big air

Postby Herman » Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:22 pm

Big air boards are generally designed so that you would ride smaller. That is they are stiff and low rocker with relatively parallel rails and square tails. Some have channels which may soften the fluid dynamics but the channels will also increase the stiffness. Imho you need to be happy riding overpowered in strong wind to justify this type of board. It’s an odd conundrum as more power is usually easier and easier on the knees until suddenly it isn’t! I believe you have a Mako 150 which is quite power hungry and so you will already have a start towards the power needed. At 50 I think it sensible not to go too extreme but that also depends on wind quality and sea state you are riding. Good luck with your choice and I would be really interested to see how it turns out. (At 96kg a 666 nomex construction board 135x44 was my hearts desire!!)
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