Covid vaccine

[longwhitecloud]

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Awesome work, because its not like there is anywhere else to do this.

[Dave_5280]

GOOD NEWS YOU PROBABLY DIDN’T HEAR ABOUT

https://futurecrun.ch/coronavirus

[Havre]

How bad was it ever in Israel?

And how do these experts explain that most countries in Europe have already passed some early winter peak?

In Europe "peak death" this winter seems to be week 46.

[Havre]

https://tt.omni.se/ytterligare-ett-dods ... g/a/mB5mLp

Sweden reporting that they have logged 96 "injuries" (not sure what would be the best word for direct translation) potentially related to the vaccines. Half of those considered "serious". 24 of the side-effects are previously unknown - meaning not picked up by the different trials. Probably false as it is impossible for these vaccines to do any serious harm according to our kiteforum.com vaccine expert who has now left us.

And again that is not me being anti vaccinations - those are just pure facts - and one could very well be pro-vaccines even if the vaccines cause harm - I have always argued for a proper cost/benefit analysis - that goes for lockdowns, vaccines and basically everything - funnily enough people now seem to agree with me on vaccines, but does that way of thinking now extent to lockdowns?

Maybe not a surprise that the reports seemingly are limited to two of the most open and least corrupt countries in the world? I somehow do not believe that these issues, insignificant or not, are limited to Norway and Sweden.

[Havre]

Small sample size and all that, but fascinating that you get an event like an earthquake. More or less all Covid-19 restrictions goes out the window as you are trying to rescue people, animals etc. from the ruins - and not really a dent in Covid-19 cases. Earthquake was on the 29th of December.

[fluidity]

23 die in Norway after receiving COVID vaccine

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wbtw.c ... ccine/amp/

23 now? Was 13 when I last saw that article a few days ago.

Out of 30,000 or so vaccinations, so my math makes that 7/10,000 and doesn't that make it more deadly than the virus itself?

Absolutely not. Covid-19 case fatality by age is approx 15% for over 80 year olds.
Actuaral average expected remaining years of life for an 80 year old reading a table off the net is 8.28 years which works out at around 1/3024 chance of dying each day for an 80 year old.
So the antivirus is more deadly for an 80 year old than not taking it only for people who are never exposed to the real covid-19.

For those 80+ year olds, a 7/10,000 chance of dying from the antivirus is a lot safer than a 1 in 7 chance of dying from covid-19 if they catch it.

[Dave_5280]

Israel... The number of total cases since the pandemic began, which passed half a million Monday, reached 533,026, including 79,084 active cases — a new all-time record. Of them, 1,141 people were in serious condition, including 351 listed as being critical and 291 on ventilators.

The death toll surged to 3,892 — an increase of 49 since Thursday morning.

https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiam ... id=US%3Aen

[Dave_5280]

Europe... January EU Travel Restrictions By Country: Quarantine And Tests, As Covid-19 Third Wave Surges

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiE ... id=US%3Aen

[Havre]

23 die in Norway after receiving COVID vaccine

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wbtw.c ... ccine/amp/

23 now? Was 13 when I last saw that article a few days ago.

Out of 30,000 or so vaccinations, so my math makes that 7/10,000 and doesn't that make it more deadly than the virus itself?

Absolutely not. Covid-19 case fatality by age is approx 15% for over 80 year olds.
Actuaral average expected remaining years of life for an 80 year old reading a table off the net is 8.28 years which works out at around 1/3024 chance of dying each day for an 80 year old.
So the antivirus is more deadly for an 80 year old than not taking it only for people who are never exposed to the real covid-19.

For those 80+ year olds, a 7/10,000 chance of dying from the antivirus is a lot safer than a 1 in 7 chance of dying from covid-19 if they catch it.

The official statistic in Norway give anyone above 80 a 4% death rate from Covid-19. So an 80 year old would at least in Norway have a case fatality rate far lower than 15%.

If you are 80 in Norway you got more or less exactly a 10% chance of dying the next 12 months. Covid-19 will alter those odds slightly - I'm not denying that - I do not believe Covid-19 is completely harmless, but I do believe we are exaggerating the restrictions placed on the population trying to somehow keep numbers down.

And as stated before in this thread I cannot see how we can ever go back to normal as long as we got influenza, pneumonia etc. around - using the same "logic" for other kinds of viruses than Covid-19. If one Covid-19 death is one too many - then surely that would be the same for influenza?

[Kamikuza]

Absolutely not. Covid-19 case fatality by age is approx 15% for over 80 year olds.
Actuaral average expected remaining years of life for an 80 year old reading a table off the net is 8.28 years which works out at around 1/3024 chance of dying each day for an 80 year old.
So the antivirus is more deadly for an 80 year old than not taking it only for people who are never exposed to the real covid-19.

For those 80+ year olds, a 7/10,000 chance of dying from the antivirus is a lot safer than a 1 in 7 chance of dying from covid-19 if they catch it.

That's an informative way of looking at the CFR and life expectancy for that age group, thanks.

I don't see any statistic for the number of those 30,000+ vaccinated that were in that age group, so that can't be an accurate comparison can it?
US observed CFR is 1.4% which includes 80+ surely, and an overall mortality rate of ~5/10,000...
https://www.statista.com/chart/21170/co ... worldwide/