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Re: Covid vaccine

Postby iriejohn » Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:59 pm

A mRNA vaccine induces the production of antibodies.
CDC wrote: vaccine

A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

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Re: Covid vaccine

Postby Havre » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:28 pm

vaccine
noun [ C or U ]
UK /ˈvæk.siːn/ US /ˈvæk.siːn/

C2
a substance containing a virus or bacterium in a form that is not harmful, given to a person or animal to prevent them from getting the disease that the virus or bacterium causes

As far as I know the Pfizer and Moderna "vaccine" do not meet the previously defined definition of a vaccine needed for CDC approval.

In any case it was hardly a significant part of my post - and I have never claimed that the mRNA "vaccine" made by Pfizer or Moderna doesn't work protecting anyone against Covid-19 (for all we know vaccines might be obsolete 5 years from now and we will use mRNA for everything we used vaccines for in the past). Not sure why you would pick out that part and "lol" about it? I got the Cambridge Dictionary on my side - and who would "lol" the Cambridge Dictionary?

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Re: Covid vaccine

Postby iriejohn » Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:00 pm

Havre wrote: vaccine
noun [ C or U ]
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C2
a substance containing a virus or bacterium in a form that is not harmful, given to a person or animal to prevent them from getting the disease that the virus or bacterium causes

As far as I know the Pfizer and Moderna "vaccine" do not meet the previously defined definition of a vaccine needed for CDC approval.

In any case it was hardly a significant part of my post - and I have never claimed that the mRNA "vaccine" made by Pfizer or Moderna doesn't work protecting anyone against Covid-19 (for all we know vaccines might be obsolete 5 years from now and we will use mRNA for everything we used vaccines for in the past). Not sure why you would pick out that part and "lol" about it? I got the Cambridge Dictionary on my side - and who would "lol" the Cambridge Dictionary?
Neither the Pfizer nor Moderna mRNA vaccines are harmful, indeed they are given to prevent a person from contracting the disease.

I will not repeat my mistake of trying to deal with people who suffer from cognitive dissonance such as you and Matteo V.

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Re: Covid vaccine

Postby Havre » Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:07 pm

iriejohn wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:00 pm
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Havre wrote: vaccine
noun [ C or U ]
UK /ˈvæk.siːn/ US /ˈvæk.siːn/

C2
a substance containing a virus or bacterium in a form that is not harmful, given to a person or animal to prevent them from getting the disease that the virus or bacterium causes

As far as I know the Pfizer and Moderna "vaccine" do not meet the previously defined definition of a vaccine needed for CDC approval.

In any case it was hardly a significant part of my post - and I have never claimed that the mRNA "vaccine" made by Pfizer or Moderna doesn't work protecting anyone against Covid-19 (for all we know vaccines might be obsolete 5 years from now and we will use mRNA for everything we used vaccines for in the past). Not sure why you would pick out that part and "lol" about it? I got the Cambridge Dictionary on my side - and who would "lol" the Cambridge Dictionary?
Neither the Pfizer nor Moderna mRNA vaccines are harmful, indeed they are given to prevent a person from contracting the disease.

I will not repeat my mistake of trying to deal with people who suffer from cognitive dissonance such as you and Matteo V.
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How would you know the effects of the Pfizer "vaccine" 2 years from now?

That is not saying it would cause any harm, but how would you know? Honest question - even if you seem incapable of replying a single time without some sort of remark.

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Re: Covid vaccine

Postby Havre » Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:11 pm

https://www.tv2.no/a/11920695/


- In all vaccinations, one must weigh the benefits against disadvantages, and this also applies to coronary vaccination. It is too early to make that assessment for the age group 18 to 45 years now, says chief physician Preben Aavitsland at FHI. (google translate)

That would be the Norwegian Institute of Public Health saying it is too early to tell if people below 45 should get the vaccine.

Now. I'm obviously expecting them to recommend people below 45 to get the vaccine in the end, but why would he say that if it is as obvious as you claim it is? This from someone that have been pushing vaccines hard from day one.

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Re: Covid vaccine

Postby Havre » Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:31 pm

Vaccines are funny. And as I have documented earlier in this thread I have probably taken more of them than most people. Several countries in Europe do not use the BCG vaccine (or at least far less widespread) - while for most countries in Europe it was mandatory (information about Norway is not entirely correct though - so there might be more mistakes). After 100 year or something with this vaccines countries in Europe cannot agree between them if it should be used at all, on a voluntary basis or mandatory. But for some reason any sort of questions around any sort of Covid-19 vaccine is just "cognitive dissonance", "dumb" etc.? I guess we can't even discuss if one vaccine should be considered safer than any other? They should all just be considered "good" and that is the end of that?

Completely fair not wanting to discuss vaccines, but then why not just not say anything? At least not "lol" and insult those that might want to discuss them?
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https://apps.who.int/immunization_monit ... gebcg.html

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Re: Covid vaccine

Postby Matteo V » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:34 pm

iriejohn wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:00 pm
I will not repeat my mistake of trying to deal with people who suffer from cognitive dissonance such as you and Matteo V.
C'mon iriemon! Don't give up that easy. Isn't there any counter argument you could make? Maybe give us an explanation of the cognitive dissonance in my reply? Or, if its obvious you are wrong, there is quite a bit of respect due when you admit it.

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Re: Covid vaccine

Postby Dave_5280 » Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:13 am

Millions of people that have received at least one dose of vaccine:
World 100.79
U.S. 41.02
U.K. 16.42
E.U. 15.52
England 13.82
Brazil 5.48
Turkey 5.03
Israel 4.23
Germany 3.09
France 2.41
Chile 2.32
Russia 2.20
Rest under 2.0 each

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Re: Covid vaccine

Postby Matteo V » Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:21 am

Dave_5280 wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:13 am
Millions of people that have received at least one dose of vaccine:
And pretty neat that they have just arbritarily revised the effectiveness of the first dose from 50% to like 85%.

Science is cool! (sarcasm, as this reaks of narrative revisionism)

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Re: Covid vaccine

Postby Dave_5280 » Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:00 am

Not sure that matters:

US sticking with two-dose COVID-19 vaccine schedule, though study suggests one shot provides good short-term protection

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEB ... id=US%3Aen


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