What does a naish esp torch bridle look like?

[longwhitecloud]

I realised I have never seen one and am interested to see.

[kitexpert]

It is a simple sled type kite, there is no bridle at all

I rode once Torch and it wasn't that bad, probably best C-kite I have tried. GP wasn't bad either, Razor already quite bad and older C-kites I have tried were all pretty horrible, slow and heavy feeling kites.

Torch had a bit wobbly feel (jellyfish, thin LE, no bridle support) but it was fast and agile kite. Nice surprise was bar pressure wasn't that high and powered loops - who doesn't like them - very nice constant power. But modern bridled "open C" kites offer stiffer feel and almost same looping performance, and better low end and relaunch.

[longwhitecloud]

It is a simple sled type kite, there is no bridle at all

I rode once Torch and it wasn't that bad, probably best C-kite I have tried. GP wasn't bad either, Razor already quite bad and older C-kites I have tried were all pretty horrible, slow and heavy feeling kites.

Torch had a bit wobbly feel (jellyfish, thin LE, no bridle support) but it was fast and agile kite. Nice surprise was bar pressure wasn't that high and powered loops - who doesn't like them - very nice constant power. But modern bridled "open C" kites offer stiffer feel and almost same looping performance, and better low end and relaunch.

Are you sure? I thought esp was a mini bridle to increase depower.. a c kite hybrid of sorts.

[longwhitecloud]

It is a simple sled type kite, there is no bridle at all

I rode once Torch and it wasn't that bad, probably best C-kite I have tried. GP wasn't bad either, Razor already quite bad and older C-kites I have tried were all pretty horrible, slow and heavy feeling kites.

Torch had a bit wobbly feel (jellyfish, thin LE, no bridle support) but it was fast and agile kite. Nice surprise was bar pressure wasn't that high and powered loops - who doesn't like them - very nice constant power. But modern bridled "open C" kites offer stiffer feel and almost same looping performance, and better low end and relaunch.

Are you sure? I thought esp was a mini bridle to increase depower.. a c kite hybrid of sorts.

I rode fuels and torches for eons.. pumped up v hard with 5th line in 12m and under I never got jellyfishing. Low end upwind is a problem.. but in moderate to high winds I wouldn’t mind going back.

[kitexpert]

Definitely Torch has too be pumped hard, LE is so thin. It is possible it was underinflated when I tried it. I'll ask another test if kite is around this summer, my feeling was positive from it anyway

[kitexpert]

IDK about that esp thing, but if there is an attachment point for 5th line a bit too much to call it a bridle. Torch I tried was a 5 line kite

[RidingRobi]

It is a simple sled type kite, there is no bridle at all
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Are you sure? I thought esp was a mini bridle to increase depower.. a c kite hybrid of sorts.

Kiteexpert: wrong
longwhitecloud: right

It is really tiny bridle on the LE-attachment points. There you have a ring/pulleything that can move about 10cm if I remember right. By doing so, it "automatically" changes the angle of attack and therefore gives you a bit more depower, and the kite can travel a bit further to side of the wind window which makes you go upwind a bit more easily.
It's not a huge difference though. But was enough that I always switched when going for a boost session instead of freestyle.

[longwhitecloud]

It is a simple sled type kite, there is no bridle at all
[...]

Are you sure? I thought esp was a mini bridle to increase depower.. a c kite hybrid of sorts.

Kiteexpert: wrong
longwhitecloud: right

It is really tiny bridle on the LE-attachment points. There you have a ring/pulleything that can move about 10cm if I remember right. By doing so, it "automatically" changes the angle of attack and therefore gives you a bit more depower, and the kite can travel a bit further to side of the wind window which makes you go upwind a bit more easily.
It's not a huge difference though. But was enough that I always switched when going for a boost session instead of freestyle.

so its like a really mini bridle then 10cm!

mini bridles makes a lot of sense to me - minimise deathloop risk and take advantage of lever and pully mechanics -i wonder why it didnt take off. 5th line is so great unless it ends up inside out - then bring back the wave grenade - worked great to get back to shore.

[Bain]

I still have 20M Torch somewhere in the basement haha!

[Ludmil]

I realised I have never seen one and am interested to see.

I usually remove it. I have the parts in my bag...
ESP is meant to increase the range of the kite by enhancing the AOA of the kite i.e. works as freeride performance setting.