Ummm,bragnouff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:27 amWell, it starts with a large number of hours of labour to put a kite together... So, maybe we could bring back slavery or force children to sew kites instead of making Nike shoes, but having some qualified staff and reasonable work conditions typically leads to a better quality product. So despite being produced in SE Asia where labour costs are relatively cheap, there is still a substantial cost in terms of manufacturing. The factory will sell the product with a margin, because they have to earn a living, otherwise they'd just close and do something else to survive.mr_daruman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:55 pmSewn pieces of easily rip able/punctured <ripstop> fabric with an oversized fragile condom and held by four strings and all of it not lasting two years of weekly riding is in my book OVERLY expensive.
Whatever the maker kites shouldn't be more than 1000$ for ALL sizes. Bars at over 500$ is even more outrageous.
Then, there are shipping costs, distribution costs, marketing costs (including sponsoring top riders), R&D costs, and many men in the middle who all need to make a profit along the way. So it's no surprise that the price you pay is not the price of the materials or the price out of the factory door.
And to follow on your simplistic description of what a kite is, I'd suggest you assemble yourself a kite with a tough tear proof denim cloth, use a strong puncture proof rubber inner tube, and use 100m of chicken string instead of SK99 dyneema, and report on the experience riding it. All along the way, designers balance performance and robustness (and costs). So you can throw a tantrum and claim that you think this is overly expensive, but that is the reality of the game (a.k.a The Free Market). No one is forcing you to play that game. You can abstain, you can DIY, you don't have to buy the latest gear at retail price, and you can also make it last for way longer than 2 years.
As far as bars are concerned, I also feel like some prices are crazy. The main drive in the boom of bar prices is due to the over engineering, reinventing the wheel, solving problems you didn't know existed, small series of injection molded parts, redesigning proprietary cleats instead of using proven off the shelf parts. Expensive parts, and more labour to put all of that together. But once again, you can step out of that game. I source some quality critical parts like lines and I assemble my bars, in a simple, maintainable way, with commonly available parts from the boat shops. Lasts for longer as I just replace worn out parts whenever needed.
If making the LEI kite is THAT expensive, than making a foil kite would be 3 times more expensive at least. FS is making foils in the EU, so labour cost is 10x, plus 5x time to make it.
But the FS foil kite is not 10x more than LEI made in China or Sri Lanka.
Which sounds to me LEIs are overpriced due to something. What is that? A paint maybe?
Graphics? Than Ozone is way overpriced due to no graphics at all
Something somewhere does not match. Cordura used for LE and struts is not that pricey. foils have double canopy, heaps internal support, no PU valves but they are cheap anyway. To make bladders and fit it in is not huge expense.
Again, labour for foil is 3-5 times of LEI. Same extra hidden costs. Are they making loss on foils? I dont think so.
What takes of profit is the management expense, board members, etc. Cut that and bang. Epic does that. Kev does it. So they should be in the position to sell for less, not more.
I dont think Epic has a huge building with a number of employees. But than Epic does not sell that many kites either. Both will be in AU like a hens teeth...