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What are the Pros and Cons of using this technique to shorten your lines

Postby artificialname » Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:29 pm

Hello
I'm considering trying the technique in the video below. It's from the youtube channel of Sam Guest - Tantrum.

He recommends halving your lines as a way to try flying on short lines.

Besides double checking your flag out line, any other safety concerns?

Pros and Cons of trying this?

technique:
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Re: What are the Pros and Cons of using this technique to shorten your lines

Postby tkaraszewski » Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:51 pm

This video is 13 minutes long and could be 35 seconds long, but this looks fine based on skipping through it and seeing how he connected one line and the pigtail for it.

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Re: What are the Pros and Cons of using this technique to shorten your lines

Postby darippah » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:13 pm

Aside from increased likelihood of a tangle, I'd imagine the extra drag of the doubled over lines will affect performance.

Relaunch may be worse in ultralight winds when doubled over

But In light wind I'd be using the longer lines so maybe not an issue?

I'm in a desperate search for a method to increase/ decrease line length as quickly as possible

Currently I use 2 bars for different line length's for EACH Kite - which is expensive , and I don't like leaving a carbon fiber bar on the beach. This is the fastest method I've tried to change line lengths , but still not too quick..

I've now set up my 30m light wind bar on my 7m Soul to be able to shorten with this method and will report back

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Re: What are the Pros and Cons of using this technique to shorten your lines

Postby Slappysan » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:05 pm

What this person ignores in this video is the steering leader lines might not be equal to the length of the depower system. If they are different lengths you are shortening your front lines by an un-equal amount as your steering lines.

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Re: What are the Pros and Cons of using this technique to shorten your lines

Postby sflinux » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:45 pm

I've used that technique for trainer kites, as the stock lines are too long imo.
If your stock lines were 35-40 M, this could work. But if your stock lines are 20-30M, who wants 10-15M lines? Too short imo.
Disadvantages:
Put your bar out of tune
Tangles when going to leash
Jams when going to leash
Whistling in the lines
Wearing your lines prematurely.

For me, I would rather cut my lines to the desired minimum length and tune the bar. Then you tune the leftover lines as extensions.

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Re: What are the Pros and Cons of using this technique to shorten your lines

Postby bragnouff » Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:02 pm

Not too sure of the use case of halving your lines length. It's great to go from 25 to 20 or 20 to 13 or whatever, but typically going for half length is way too much. If you're a kite school, maybe, but then you'd have several bars to support that usage.
Extensions, when properly made, color coded and with a slick splicing, are easy to use. The color coding or numbering, or whatever you use, is meant to keep a particular extension on a particular line, and prevent introducing stretch variations into your setup. Clean splicing will ensure that the lines don't catch onto everything, and it will make adding and removing extensions as simple and as painless as it should be.
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Re: What are the Pros and Cons of using this technique to shorten your lines

Postby edt » Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:38 pm

Go for it! the method is legit and don't listen to the haters. I've tried line sizes from 10m up to 100m and learned something at every line length.

right now I always run 23m, but if you have a chance to run 10m do it, it's fun and you learn more about how the lines and kite interact.
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Re: What are the Pros and Cons of using this technique to shorten your lines

Postby artificialname » Sat May 01, 2021 5:44 pm

darippah wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:13 pm
I've now set up my 30m light wind bar on my 7m Soul to be able to shorten with this method and will report back
DARIPPAH please do report back!


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