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Re: How to turn a topic about a fatality into an absurd helmet discussion

Postby PullStrings » Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:58 pm

Challenge for those who wear helmets all the time.

For a few sessions don't wear one and report here how it made you feel.

Choices could be :

Nervous scared

Naked

Free liberated

Etc

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Re: How to turn a topic about a fatality into an absurd helmet discussion

Postby Pemba » Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:14 pm

vannibombonato wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:57 am
bragnouff wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:21 am
No one would question the outcome of your experiment, however some could question the relevance of that experiment for kitesurfing, as this is a watersport and not a rocksport.
Except when you hit a board, another kiter, or actually rocks or anything on earth. Which is stuff that we know for a fact does happen to kitesurfers.

So what the heck are we exactly debating?

Once again, i can be fine in somebody telling me "i don't wear it because XYZ and the risk of injuring my head is low".
I can't accept people who push it as far as questioning whether it's safer overall to have an helmet or not. That's just too stupid.
Whats obvious to you but isn't obvious to others is unacceptable to you and you call those that question your opinion "too stupid", because you are obviously right.. There can be no debate then. Obviously.

Although I don't wear one, I also think that a helmet is safer, especially in places with rocks. But I try to follow and respect other ideas. They often help me develop mine and show how many things aren't as obvious as I might have thought. We're all different.

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Re: How to turn a topic about a fatality into an absurd helmet discussion

Postby vannibombonato » Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:30 pm

Pemba wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:14 pm
vannibombonato wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:57 am
bragnouff wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:21 am
No one would question the outcome of your experiment, however some could question the relevance of that experiment for kitesurfing, as this is a watersport and not a rocksport.
Except when you hit a board, another kiter, or actually rocks or anything on earth. Which is stuff that we know for a fact does happen to kitesurfers.

So what the heck are we exactly debating?

Once again, i can be fine in somebody telling me "i don't wear it because XYZ and the risk of injuring my head is low".
I can't accept people who push it as far as questioning whether it's safer overall to have an helmet or not. That's just too stupid.
Whats obvious to you but isn't obvious to others is unacceptable to you and you call those that question your opinion "too stupid", because you are obviously right.. There can be no debate then. Obviously.

Although I don't wear one, I also think that a helmet is safer, especially in places with rocks. But I try to follow and respect other ideas. They often help me develop mine and show how many things aren't as obvious as I might have thought. We're all different.
No, i have no respect for the "opinion" of people who believe the earth is flat.
Each and everyone of us is entitled to have their own ideas and beliefs, each and everyone is entitled to express them, and i'm for sure entitled to call something stupid when i see it (i'll repeat it: STUPID, not "different").

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Re: How to turn a topic about a fatality into an absurd helmet discussion

Postby Matteo V » Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:35 pm

PullStrings wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:58 pm
Challenge for those who wear helmets all the time.

For a few sessions don't wear one and report here how it made you feel.

Choices could be :

Nervous scared

Naked

Free liberated

Etc
I dont wear a helmet for how it "feels". I wear one because:

1. It protects the only organ that you cannot get a transplant for if you ruin it.

2. Getting knocked out by your board flung at you by a wave leads to drowning, or paralysis if you cannot dive under the next set coming in.

3. Getting knocked out on a fall from height on hard packed sand, then no longer being able to control the kite or activate its safety, can lead to death from a secondary impact.

4. Getting knocked out upon impact on hard packed sand could lead to injury to innocent bystanders even if it does not kill me, because you cannot control a kite while unconcious.

5 AND THERE IS ABSOUTELY NO DOWNSIDE TO HELMET USE - the idea that there is a downside to helmets is a completely concocted fairy tale made up by those who are desperate to hide thier own insecurities about why they are too insecure to use them.


Pulley, how about you try to put reality before your "feels". Maybe you are young and still have that new university training of "feels before reality" fresh in your mind. For your sake, and the sake of us that enjoy having our beaches open to kiteboarding, I can only hope that you once again come to embrace logic and reason as you grow up.

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Re: How to turn a topic about a fatality into an absurd helmet discussion

Postby jumptheshark » Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:36 pm

PullStrings wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:58 pm
Challenge for those who wear helmets all the time.

For a few sessions don't wear one and report here how it made you feel.

Choices could be :

Nervous scared

Naked

Free liberated

Etc
For half the season, sunburnt, for the other half, cold.
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Re: How to turn a topic about a fatality into an absurd helmet discussion

Postby PullStrings » Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:49 pm

Best answer so far J.

Board flung at head from the other guy's answer.

Toby would be so dead by now...ha ha ha

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Re: How to turn a topic about a fatality into an absurd helmet discussion

Postby bragnouff » Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:46 pm

Matteo V wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:35 pm

I dont wear a helmet for how it "feels". I wear one because:

1. It protects the only organ that you cannot get a transplant for if you ruin it.

2. Getting knocked out by your board flung at you by a wave leads to drowning, or paralysis if you cannot dive under the next set coming in.

3. Getting knocked out on a fall from height on hard packed sand, then no longer being able to control the kite or activate its safety, can lead to death from a secondary impact.

4. Getting knocked out upon impact on hard packed sand could lead to injury to innocent bystanders even if it does not kill me, because you cannot control a kite while unconcious.

5 AND THERE IS ABSOUTELY NO DOWNSIDE TO HELMET USE - the idea that there is a downside to helmets is a completely concocted fairy tale made up by those who are desperate to hide thier own insecurities about why they are too insecure to use them.
Hey, I never ever advocated for not wearing a helmet. But I'm kind of reacting to your ideology and the irritating way you're debating things.
Fully agree with what a helmet is designed to do, as per point 1)
Your absurd experiment of repeatedly hitting a head with rocks triggered a sarcastic, tongue in cheek reply...
bragnouff wrote:No one would question the outcome of your experiment, however some could question the relevance of that experiment for kitesurfing, as this is a watersport and not a rocksport.

It's just that your circumstances don't necessarily match other people's. I don't kite near rocks. I fear rocks, and wearing a helmet will not reduce my fear of rocks.

2) Do surfers wear helmets much? not that many. Typically you learn to resurface with your hands protecting your face/head, and you have some situational awareness of where your board is when you fall. I typically don't wear a leash when kiting, so the board isn't kept nearby. Fun fact, last time I got injured surfing, I took a board across the eye socket, needed 7 stitches. Helmet wouldn't have changed anything. Was just a wrong decision to ride in a busy lineup.

3) Falling from heights on hard packed sand? I ride on water, I'm anal about my setup/self launch procedure, I ride smaller kites, I'm aware about the weather, I don't muck around on the beach after launch, I don't jump in the shallows. So I do everything to avoid that. But I do wear a helmet if I'm mountainboarding on that hard packed sand, even in 8-10kts. But not in my buggy in light winds because I'm seated and stable.

4) Same, using my brain to avoid contact with hard packed sand, being more careful in the shallows, and also staying clear of other people. Space doesn't come at a premium here...

5) There is some level of discomfort, noise, ... It can be minimal, or you can actually enjoy it, even. But don't deny it for f*ck's sake! Again, same like booties, hood, sunscreen, sunglasses, ... long pants, underwear, shoes,... All with a downside to a degree. And we make personal, educated choices about each of them.

Sometimes I feel like you're just protecting the brain from accidents, instead of actually using it to avoid and reduce occurrence of accidents. And also what you call accidents is sometimes essentially reckless behaviour or excessive risk taking.

Still, some proper accidents will happen, given sufficient times. Murphy's law, Acts of God, or whatever... But they also happen in the 99% time of your life when you're not kiteboarding.

Do wear a helmet, get used to it so that it feels comfortable and second nature, but don't ever rely on that and skip using your brain for safety.
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Re: How to turn a topic about a fatality into an absurd helmet discussion

Postby bay surfer » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:00 am

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Re: How to turn a topic about a fatality into an absurd helmet discussion

Postby jumptheshark » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:56 am

bragnouff wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:46 pm

Do wear a helmet, get used to it so that it feels comfortable and second nature, but don't ever rely on that and skip using your brain for safety.
Absafukinlooooooooooootly,

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Re: How to turn a topic about a fatality into an absurd helmet discussion

Postby jumptheshark » Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:00 am

OMG, you dorks fucking polishing each others helmets is priceless kitebordng.


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