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Re: PFD for kiting

Postby beebad » Sun May 30, 2021 12:47 am

Matteo V wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 10:44 pm
Trent hink wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 10:19 pm
If you do have to swim, the pfd makes it much more difficult to make efficient progress.
I can swim 30km in a life vest, though it would take me quite some time.

I can only swim maybe 5km without one.

So if I was in a game where I had 3 "lives", I'd still die the 3rd and final time only having made it half way back.


Pdf's reduce your sprint speed significantly. But they keep you alive well past exhaustion. Keep that in mind at all times.



Trent hink wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 10:19 pm
You don't want to get caught in large breaking waves with a pfd, because you won't be able to duck under the waves.
Medium waves on the inside where they break shallow, is my biggest fear with a life vest. Big waves on the outside...... well even if one of those breaks on a bar suddenly, and you get slammed, you are still coming up eventually.
If i get knocked out on my foil or somehow land on my head when I got slammed boosting, The last thing i want to think about is not touching bottom when I come to. I am going to see how bulky this thing is when it arrives. It looks minimal. I have a PFD I used for whitewater kayaking and that was minimal but i am also thinking about roasting in the sun. I can return it easily at REI if it is a kook fest.

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Re: PFD for kiting

Postby beebad » Sun May 30, 2021 12:54 am

chaosgate wrote:
Sun May 30, 2021 12:42 am
beebad wrote:
Sun May 30, 2021 12:26 am
chaosgate wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 7:23 am
I think you're looking for this: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2409821
Thank you, with the exception of perhaps, the khymera , way expensive, none of those are uscg approved type-3 pfds.
A bunch of the forward wip ones are 50N vests, the one you had in your first post is 75N. Unless someone is checking for coast guard approval, I would look more at how much floatation you're comfortable with -- definitely, if 50N is okay you will have a lot more choices (and it will be less bulky) than with 75N.
i only weigh 170 and that ninja thing provides 16.5pounds of flotation, probably more than enough. ( forward wip ones???) I am a sailing instructor and throw around words like uscg and type 3 pfds, but I am not really trying to fulfill any kind of requirement for the USCG in my area, i just use it as a reference point. The impact vest i have is hot and offers minimal floatation.

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Re: PFD for kiting

Postby 57palawandan » Sun May 30, 2021 2:35 am

I started using impact vest when I started jumping because a failed jump hurt.
When I started ocean kiting I went to full approved floatation life jacket.
I bought a stylish colorful jacket.
Yes I can swim, but when you are out in the rough sea with rollers that are higher than you can see over it's a good feeling that you can stay afloat with out a struggle. I don't care what people say that I look bulky, it my life.
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Re: PFD for kiting

Postby Trent hink » Sun May 30, 2021 3:40 am

I just wanted to point out some potential problems.

Like anything, there are are trade-offs.

I learned to kite on Lake Michigan, in the early days of this sport, and I usually used a pfd for the first few years.

These things I am pointing out are important things to consider.

No point wearing one if you'll just get tossed in the shore-break, or die of hypothermia as you try to swim in.

Aside from those two specific scenarios, using a pfd is a fine option, especially if it makes you feel more secure.

And like I said, if you want one, the ones designed for kayakers will work.
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Re: PFD for kiting

Postby Matteo V » Sun May 30, 2021 4:04 am

Trent hink wrote:
Sun May 30, 2021 3:40 am
No point wearing one if you'll just get tossed in the shore-break, or die of hypothermia as you try to swim in.
The guys that fish your body out will apreciate it. Give just a bit of thought to them, as well as your family. I'm sure the latter does not want to wait 7 days for your corpse to float up, or even have to burry an empty casket.
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Re: PFD for kiting

Postby Trent hink » Sun May 30, 2021 4:19 am

Matteo V wrote:
Sun May 30, 2021 4:04 am
Trent hink wrote:
Sun May 30, 2021 3:40 am
No point wearing one if you'll just get tossed in the shore-break, or die of hypothermia as you try to swim in.
The guys that fish your body out will apreciate it. Give just a bit of thought to them, as well as your family. I'm sure the latter does not want to wait 7 days for your corpse to float up, or even have to burry an empty casket.

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Re: PFD for kiting

Postby Trent hink » Sun May 30, 2021 4:25 am

Matteo V wrote:
Sun May 30, 2021 4:04 am
Trent hink wrote:
Sun May 30, 2021 3:40 am
No point wearing one if you'll just get tossed in the shore-break, or die of hypothermia as you try to swim in.
The guys that fish your body out will apreciate it. Give just a bit of thought to them, as well as your family. I'm sure the latter does not want to wait 7 days for your corpse to float up, or even have to burry an empty casket.
Matteo, you always crack me up!

I don't think you even listened to anything I said, because you are always so eager to disagree with someone...anyone.

I've swum in from at least 2km out on an outgoing tide, when my kite went bye bye, due to gear failure.

I was not sure if I could swim that far when this happened to me, but as they say there was nothing to it but to do it.

A life vest might have helped me bob around out there, but only would have impeded my progress against the current.

If it makes you feel any better, I'll definitely choose to use a pfd whenever I find myself using my Liquid Force fish to hit sliders in flat water, especially if it's sweet water....

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Re: PFD for kiting

Postby Trent hink » Sun May 30, 2021 5:04 am

Trent hink wrote:
Sun May 30, 2021 3:40 am
No point wearing one if you'll just get tossed in the shore-break, or die of hypothermia as you try to swim in.

Aside from those two specific scenarios, using a pfd is a fine option, especially if it makes you feel more secure.

And like I said, if you want one, the ones designed for kayakers will work.
I think made my opinion pretty clear.

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Re: PFD for kiting

Postby elguapo » Sun May 30, 2021 1:07 pm

Trent hink wrote:
Sun May 30, 2021 3:40 am
I just wanted to point out some potential problems.

Like anything, there are are trade-offs.

I learned to kite on Lake Michigan, in the early days of this sport, and I usually used a pfd for the first few years.

These things I am pointing out are important things to consider.

No point wearing one if you'll just get tossed in the shore-break, or die of hypothermia as you try to swim in.

Aside from those two specific scenarios, using a pfd is a fine option, especially if it makes you feel more secure.

And like I said, if you want one, the ones designed for kayakers will work.
i'll second this..
personal protectivve gear for kayaking..and sometimes competitive sailing translate to kite foiling pretty well..
i had the original forward wip 50N impac vest for 3 seasons..and i recently started using their new flow neo vest..
it is less bulking but gives same floatation.

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Re: PFD for kiting

Postby Greenturtle » Sun May 30, 2021 2:06 pm

I have a pile of about 15 pfds all streamlined designs from many years of whitewater paddling and outfitting groups so it was pretty easy to pick one out that worked well on me for kiteboarding. The one I use has supple / more flexible foam that also is rather thin and flogged out, the foam is pretty much only an inch thick. It does work well with a waist harness too at least for me (I have a real long torso) and I daresay it even helps a bit to keep waist harness down. Useful pocket on front to stick gloves in etc. and of course it has a river knife attachment point so I keep a slim knife handy that is much better than a standard tiny hook knife.

Flotation-wise I would not give it to someone for serious river use any more, but it is perfect for kite application.
Impact-wise I must say it helps soften the smack.
Mobility-wise it certainly hinders some (depending on what movements) compared to wearing nothing, but I have seen too many people struggling for air including myself to not wear it.

The thing is - it doesn’t matter how fit you are, you can be an endurance swimming god - But when you end up with an injury, like a dislocated shoulder or just knocked senseless for a minute, the list of possible injuries is long, you name it, you WILL need help keeping your head above water, let alone make it back to shore when you’re way out. You cannot rely on the board or kite to be there to float you. The water may even only be knee deep or less, but when you are injured and shit is fucked, you will drown without flotation, and maybe still even then, but at least your chances are improved with flotation on, by a lot.

Maybe your riding style is so soft and lame that you think you’ll never get injured kiting. Think again boys. You go out enough times and its going to happen, and when it does you will thank YOURSELF for putting it on all those times just in case. Random health things happen too like virtigo/delirium , strokes/minor heart attacks , even global amnesia (seen it happen) that just cannot be predicted, and flotation will make a huge difference in whether that event turns into drowning or not.

That said, do whatever you want of course. I think this sport clearly attracts risk takers. But if you have a family dependent on you , or you just want to kite again another day, it is the responsible choice to wear flotation.
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