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Jumping while going inside, where wind is lighter

Postby Indulang » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:31 am

In some spots, the only flat areas are near the beach where waves break. And if the wind is 3-4kts lighter inside than outside, are there any tips for jumping in such conditions?

In my experience, once I get in the light wind zone I have to start working the kite and sheet-in to maintain my speed. This makes it hard to send the kite through the edge of the wind window

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Re: Jumping while going inside, where wind is lighter

Postby dice » Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:05 am

What do you mean with 'inside'? Inside of what?

And if the wind is too light in that space, why don't you use a size bigger?

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Re: Jumping while going inside, where wind is lighter

Postby leeuwen » Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:17 am

I *think* you are talking about influence by currents. A current will influence the net wind speed you have available at the kite.
Sometimes its just a matter of finding the right moment to kite.
e.g. currents here are heavily influenced by the tides so picking the right time of day based on the tides can help a lot.
Other then that the only options are getting a bigger kite and get better at dealing with the extra power or use something not/barely influenced by currents like a hydrofoil.

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Re: Jumping while going inside, where wind is lighter

Postby Indulang » Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:02 pm

"inside" is the area between where the waves break till the beach

"outside" is the area beyond where waves break

https://www.wavetribe.com/blogs/surfboa ... surf-slang

These terms are used often in prone surfing and thought kiters use them as well. My bad. I'm referring to spots where the wind "outside" is 3-4kts stronger than "inside". And I was referring to jumping while coming from outside to inside as water is flatter inside. As of now I'm only jumping in the flat area and not using waves as ramps to jump

@leeuwen No, I wasn't referring to currents.

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Re: Jumping while going inside, where wind is lighter

Postby Matteo V » Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:18 pm

Yep, most of the wind speed drop on the inside is water current Induced. There is often a tiny bit of wind induced current on the outside, but the wave action on the inside is the dominant factor there.

One of the lakes I frequent in the spring, actually gets up to 4knot current after the tiny shore break. And it always follows the wave direction if the initial break is on a point, reguardless of wind direction. But it is extremely rare to have a shoreline contour that allows the current direction to even partially oppose the wind direction.

Some ocean locations actually have a true wind speed differential between the inside and the outside. You will notice this on a small wave day when there is initially very little noticable current on the inside. This gradient can be influenced by the land past the beach, or simply a product of the thermal over land changing the wind direction out on the water.

Another way to understand current induced wind speed change is how as the wind is shifting from south to on shore, then to north, you get to enjoy maybe 20min of the current in opposition to the new wind direction. That situation can actually give you more power on the inside.
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Re: Jumping while going inside, where wind is lighter

Postby Indulang » Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:18 pm

Very interesting. I wasn't aware of that water current can have so much influence on wind speed.

In the case of one of the summer beaches here, we see this wind differential between inside and outside even when the waves are very small. So it probably has something to do with thermals.

So now back to my original question, besides rigging a bigger kite that is suitable for "inside" wind, is there something that can be done technique-wise to jump well while tacking from outside to inside.

I ask this question as I see some of the experienced riders still jumping well at this spot near inside

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Re: Jumping while going inside, where wind is lighter

Postby Herman » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:48 pm

Speed.
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Re: Jumping while going inside, where wind is lighter

Postby fernmanus » Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:12 pm

I have kited locations where it is the current slowing me down on the inside and other places where the wind is truly lighter on the inside due to wind shadows. The way to quickly ascertain the difference is by the terrain. If everything is flat, the lack of power is 100% due to current. You can also just stand in the water and feel the water moving past your legs.

If you have significant terrain features (hills, buildings, etc) nearby up or down wind from where you are kiting it may be a wind shadow effect as well.

More experienced riders are using speed as Herman mentioned and technique. If I remember correctly, you are the lucky rider that rides in 30 knots on a regular basis. Let’s say the inside is 25 knots and outside is 35 knots. Any experienced rider with decent technique can boost in 25 knots. So, keep working on your technique.

Learn to boost without sending the kite. In other words wakestyle jumping. Not only is this safer in high winds, it will dramatically improve your technique later on.
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Re: Jumping while going inside, where wind is lighter

Postby knotwindy » Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:06 am

Indulang wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:31 am
In some spots, the only flat areas are near the beach where waves break. And if the wind is 3-4kts lighter inside than outside, are there any tips for jumping in such conditions?

In my experience, once I get in the light wind zone I have to start working the kite and sheet-in to maintain my speed. This makes it hard to send the kite through the edge of the wind window
Rig for where you want to spend your time and play? :thumb:

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Re: Jumping while going inside, where wind is lighter

Postby wind chaser » Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:37 am

Herman wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:48 pm
Speed.
Agree. Speed and apparent wind.


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