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Re: 30 year old woman missing in Argentina

Postby Dave_5280 » Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:52 am

They still haven’t found Victoria Pardo.
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Re: 30 year old woman missing in Argentina

Postby Matteo V » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:12 am

Sarda wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:13 am
You can think of it however you want. If you view it as a "back up" then your judgement/decision making is already affected?

Point made.?

Back to square 1?

Why is PPE considered the least effective method of risk reduction?

What other methods are considered better?

There is no debate here. You either know and understand or you do not. This is the real basics!
What is the logical end to your premise?

It's "to not go kiting".

You are correct that the safest thing is to not partake in a particular activity. There is no debate about that.

If you do choose to partake in an activity, you can mitigate the risk in many different ways. PPE of various forms can provide an additional degree of safety.

Conversely, you can increase risk via poor decision making. Either way, its your choice. You can choose to do something, and be more safe with good choices and PPE use. You can choose to be reckless and take higher risks without PPE.


I think the questions you keep asking are the product of a misinterpretation of the situation, and a very debilitating inability to see past your own emotions. A good start for you would be to accept the reality that not everyone's thought processes are the same. This is foundational to emotional intelligence.

Once you overcome that handicap, definetly look into statistics. Statistics winds up teaching most students that our feelings can take reality, and warp it into its polar opposite.

Then look at this issue once again. I would guess that you would then be asking less questions, and likely be able to actually contribute.

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Re: 30 year old woman missing in Argentina

Postby Matteo V » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:15 am

downunder wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:24 am
Bille wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:20 am
@ downunder

Read that crap ya just sent me ; your either High on drugs
or Drunk . Ya can't even make a Quote , within it's own
context . :lol:

Dude -- your Loosing it ; such a shame ! :(

I really wanna know , (What Happened to Ya ) , because you
were such an awesome guy ; and now, your just another F-n Prick ?

Bille
Bille, did you ever used a mobile phone to reply? If you did, any issues or it worked great for you?
It is really not my problem if this forum features do not work as expected on all devices.

But you failing to recognise this and go even further with your accusations...

As the guy said. There is no debate here. You turned this into something else, not me.

Have a good day, you are gone on a foe list...
No way was that just your phone. I mean maybe try to preview? Maybe dont post while you are driving/drinking?

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Re: 30 year old woman missing in Argentina

Postby Sarda » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:43 am

Bille wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:45 pm
Sarda wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:13 am

...

You can think of it however you want. If you view it as a "back up" then your judgement/decision making is already affected?

Point made.?

Back to square 1?

Why is PPE considered the least effective method of risk reduction?

What other methods are considered better?

There is no debate here. You either know and understand or you do not. This is the real basics!
* So they don't use Air-Bags in cars, in your country ,(another back-up) ?
** No Cell phones to call AAA, if your car breaks down ?
*** No Cell phone for navigation ; or to call the police ?
**** Skydivers usually Always have a back-up reserve , for if the main reserve
refuses to deploy ; but you wouldn't bother, with such nonsense.
***** No ship to shore radio in your boat , for if when the engine stops running
or worst, (the boat is sinking) ?

Your correct here , (there is no debating with Silly) ; and you
would rather die, than use a back-up devise of any kind . LOL

downunder wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:24 am
...
It is really not my problem if this forum features do not work as expected on all devices.

...

As the guy said. There is no debate here. ...

Have a good day, you are gone on a foe list...
Actually , there is a debate here :
It ,"Is" your problem, that you would continue to
use a devise, that is not supported by forum features.
Yea -- Don't do that ; it's Really kinda ignorant . :nono:

Glad i'm on your foe list now, so i won't have to read about more of
your dumb arguments .
And just toss my Nomex Honeycomb, in the trash ,(Thank you), :bye:

There is a good chance this Thread would Not exist , if the 30-year old
woman had bin using a personal locator beacon . It kinda sounds
like you guys are trying to talk people into needlessly dying ; because
of some strange aversion, to current technology.

Bille

You currently appear to fit squarely in the "do not know or understand" category.

Do you wish to change this?

How might you change this if you wanted to?

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Re: 30 year old woman missing in Argentina

Postby Bille » Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:16 pm

Sarda wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:43 am
...


You currently appear to fit squarely in the "do not know or understand" category.

Do you wish to change this?

How might you change this if you wanted to?
Perhaps this is an interpretation difference, due to language ; we
both appear to be stuck with our own premise ?

Have you ever used a cell-phone , to call a friend or family ; because
ya needed a ride, due to your car being broken ?

Bille

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Re: 30 year old woman missing in Argentina

Postby Sarda » Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:16 pm

Matteo V wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:12 am
Sarda wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:13 am
You can think of it however you want. If you view it as a "back up" then your judgement/decision making is already affected?

Point made.?

Back to square 1?

Why is PPE considered the least effective method of risk reduction?

What other methods are considered better?

There is no debate here. You either know and understand or you do not. This is the real basics!
What is the logical end to your premise?

It's "to not go kiting".

You are correct that the safest thing is to not partake in a particular activity. There is no debate about that.

If you do choose to partake in an activity, you can mitigate the risk in many different ways. PPE of various forms can provide an additional degree of safety.

Conversely, you can increase risk via poor decision making. Either way, its your choice. You can choose to do something, and be more safe with good choices and PPE use. You can choose to be reckless and take higher risks without PPE.


I think the questions you keep asking are the product of a misinterpretation of the situation, and a very debilitating inability to see past your own emotions. A good start for you would be to accept the reality that not everyone's thought processes are the same. This is foundational to emotional intelligence.

Once you overcome that handicap, definetly look into statistics. Statistics winds up teaching most students that our feelings can take reality, and warp it into its polar opposite.

Then look at this issue once again. I would guess that you would then be asking less questions, and likely be able to actually contribute.
You can carry on guessing/act like you know as much as you like.

Will that make you more knowledgeable?

Funny you should mention statistics. A few months ago I was looking into a mid size organisation in a high risk industry that for the year 14/15 reported 986 ladder related incidents resulting in 254 LTI's and 3 deaths. All using the correct PPE!

This is not acceptable.

It is abundantly clear you have no idea what you are talking about?
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Re: 30 year old woman missing in Argentina

Postby Matteo V » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:55 pm

Sarda wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:16 pm
Funny you should mention statistics. A few months ago I was looking into a mid size organisation in a high risk industry that for the year 14/15 reported 986 ladder related incidents resulting in 254 LTI's and 3 deaths. All using the correct PPE!

This is not acceptable.

It is abundantly clear you have no idea what you are talking about?
Now we're getting somewhere! Thanks, but we need some more info.

Could you give us your analysis of the situation? There must be some underlying cause for this high rate. And I really REALLY REALLY hope no one paid you for your assessment that this accident rate in 2014-2015 was "unacceptable". I mean what was the PPE in use specifically to prevent ladder accidents? Steel toe boots? Properly tied off ladders? Was worker training/skill involved? Other factors such as slow regional economy or potential layoffs contributing to fraud? High workload or overtime hours?

Seriously, you are presenting you argument as an expert, but not giving us any expert insight. Bare minimum you need to present a commonsense argument, or just explain the physics of the situation. And if the situation is counterintuitive, then explain how it is so. Acting like you have in depth knowledge of the situation, but refusing to share it, is a dead end and makes you look bad.

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Re: 30 year old woman missing in Argentina

Postby Bille » Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:42 pm

Sarda wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:13 am
...

You can think of it however you want. If you view it as a "back up" then your judgement/decision making is already affected?

Point made.?

Back to square 1?

Why is PPE considered the least effective method of risk reduction?

What other methods are considered better?

There is no debate here. You either know and understand or you do not. This is the real basics!
Ya never answered my question :
Have you ever used a phone, to call someone, because you needed some
help, of , (Any kind) ?

That around the world , (Vendée Globe) race ; explain to me WHY ,every sailer in
that race, has a Personal Locator Beacon ?
Too Dumb to answer ; then i will tell you Why :
Because your an Idiot , if ya don't have one ; plus , i don't think
they allow anyone into the race, without the proper equipment (.)

Anything else Sarda ??? LOL

OK -- I'm heading out for a trip, to go Paragliding and flying my rigid wing
now , you Bet, i have my reserve parachutes repacked, and my SPOT locator
with fresh batterys ; also I'm tired of arguing with Stupid people . :bye:
See ya next week ; I'm about to enter the Fun Zone !!

Bille

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Re: 30 year old woman missing in Argentina

Postby Sarda » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:14 am

Matteo V wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:55 pm
Sarda wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:16 pm
Funny you should mention statistics. A few months ago I was looking into a mid size organisation in a high risk industry that for the year 14/15 reported 986 ladder related incidents resulting in 254 LTI's and 3 deaths. All using the correct PPE!

This is not acceptable.

It is abundantly clear you have no idea what you are talking about?
Now we're getting somewhere! Thanks, but we need some more info.

Could you give us your analysis of the situation? There must be some underlying cause for this high rate. And I really REALLY REALLY hope no one paid you for your assessment that this accident rate in 2014-2015 was "unacceptable". I mean what was the PPE in use specifically to prevent ladder accidents? Steel toe boots? Properly tied off ladders? Was worker training/skill involved? Other factors such as slow regional economy or potential layoffs contributing to fraud? High workload or overtime hours?

Seriously, you are presenting you argument as an expert, but not giving us any expert insight. Bare minimum you need to present a commonsense argument, or just explain the physics of the situation. And if the situation is counterintuitive, then explain how it is so. Acting like you have in depth knowledge of the situation, but refusing to share it, is a dead end and makes you look bad.
Clearly you have no idea, have hit rock bottom and are still digging.

There is no argument.
Do you believe this is an argument? Do you want an argument?
Why?

Why is it "unacceptable"?

Is there a specific reason it is deemed "unacceptable"?

Why is PPE considered the least effective method of risk reduction/control?

From which current control system used internationally does this question come from, including the USA? (bearing in mind many high risk activities will not utilise US standards in their theatre as they can be considered a "step back")

What other methods are considered more effective?

Some basics for you to start with?

If you were interested you would do something about it?
You obviously know everything so what is the point?
I suspect you are here to fulfil some other abnormal need?

Carry on digging/acting like you know?

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Re: 30 year old woman missing in Argentina

Postby ieism » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:22 pm

Guys, please......
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