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Backstalling during unhooked kiteloops - How to avoid?

Postby iwave » Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:39 am

I am trying to learn the F16 (unhooked backroll with a kiteloop).
I am already doing unhooked backroll, hooked surface kiteloops, and hooked surface backrolls with a kiteloop as a progression towards the F16.
Today I was trying unhooked surface kiteloops but it did not work so well.
First of all, the kiteloops did not yank me off my edge. I did not feel the power from the kiteloops. And the kiteloops were backstalling before fully completing the loop.
But since I am unhooked, I am not sure how to avoid the backstalling. Any tips here?
I was practicing in lighter wind to avoid crashing hard. But the wind was strong enough to do reasonable unhooked backrolls. And the wind was strong enough so that hooked kiteloops were yanking me off my edge and popping me.
However, the wind was too light to do proper powered Raileys.
Could it be that the problem was that I was trying in too lighter wind? Or is this something else?
Thanks for any tip!

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Re: Backstalling during unhooked kiteloops - How to avoid?

Postby TheJoe » Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:43 am

More wind and trim your kite a little more so it will not backstall. When the wind is light you will need to grab your chicken loop and push the bar back out to let the kite breathe.
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Re: Backstalling during unhooked kiteloops - How to avoid?

Postby Peter_Frank » Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:06 am

Just depower the kite more with the trim, when wind is lighter, before unhooking.

Will also give you a lot more power in the loop :thumb:

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Re: Backstalling during unhooked kiteloops - How to avoid?

Postby BillyGoatGruff » Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:26 pm

Depends on the kite, flatter kites backstall much more unhooked, a kite like the Torch, Vegas or Razor is almost impossible to backstall. Trim the kite a bit, as above. For F16's you need a decent 15mph+, let the kiteloop pull you out of the last part of the backroll

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Re: Backstalling during unhooked kiteloops - How to avoid?

Postby Herman » Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:51 pm

Having your hands closer together might be a help.

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Re: Backstalling during unhooked kiteloops - How to avoid?

Postby nixmatters » Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:04 pm

And check your back lines for shrinkage

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Re: Backstalling during unhooked kiteloops - How to avoid?

Postby iwave » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:57 am

Thank you all for the tips.
I think you are right that a tad more trimming should do the trick.
I noticed that sometimes when you unhook in light wind the kite backstalls. And you trim just a little more, and the kite is all happy (not backstalling). Sometimes, the wind is just too light and you need a bigger kite.

But what was puzzling to me the other day is that I could kiteloop the kite while being hooked in (steering agressively and fully sheeted in) and it would not backstall. But the kite was backstalling when trying to unhook kiteloop (steering agressively and fully sheeted in, obviously). Maybe the difference is that the kite is fully sheeted in for slightly longer when unhooking compare to when being hooked, and this makes a difference when the wind is marginal.

I'll try again!

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Re: Backstalling during unhooked kiteloops - How to avoid?

Postby Herman » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:49 am

When hooked in was the bar really fully sheeted or did it just feel fully sheeted? For example, unless you have a very short bar and long CL you don’t have room to fishpole the bar when hooked and fully sheeted!

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Re: Backstalling during unhooked kiteloops - How to avoid?

Postby iwave » Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:26 am

Herman wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:49 am
When hooked in was the bar really fully sheeted or did it just feel fully sheeted? For example, unless you have a very short bar and long CL you don’t have room to fishpole the bar when hooked and fully sheeted!
Hey Herman, that's a good point. It's possible that the bar was not fully sheeted in during hooked kiteloops, missing perhaps 3-5cm or so, which could make the difference between not backstalling (hooked) and backstalling (unhooked). :thumb:


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