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Evo vs Rebel vs RPM

Postby tonester » Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:30 pm

Hey guys

New starter here, started this summer, and now I can drive easy both directions and of course make the easy transition.

Currently, I ride a 10m and 12m, both Slingshot RPM´s from 2020.

I am thinking to change to Duotone (clickbar is an attractive option as well).

I would like to be informed if anyone has experience from the EVO and Rebel and if he could possibly compare them with the RPM I have.

Maybe it´s not a good option and I can stay with the RPM´s for another year.

My style is and will remain freeride for the whole year, aiming starting slowly some small jumps after few months...

My spot has around +- 20 knots.

I am thanking you in advance.

Tonester

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Re: Evo vs Rebel vs RPM

Postby Cheoz0r86 » Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:03 pm

Evo hands down, I used to ride rebels and they are also awesome and jump higher but the evo will be easier to use and flies better downwind, rebels like most big air specialists drop when they lose front line tension, if you are open to other brands also have a look a the crazyfly sculp from 2022 or 2021 quite similar to evo (slightly better low end) but with better build quality and a bit cheaper in some cases, plus you can use any low v bar of your preference, I used a SS sentry with mine and love the butter smooth spinning, way better compared to my clickbar.

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Re: Evo vs Rebel vs RPM

Postby Sun » Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:32 pm

Keep your RPMs. Nothing wrong with them. Once you get better and decide what you like to do and what riding style you prefer, then review the market.
If you really want the Clickbar, you can use it with the RPM no issue.

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Re: Evo vs Rebel vs RPM

Postby edt » Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:42 pm

The RPM is a great kite for unhooking probably the best kite on the market right now for that. Both the Evo and Rebel will perform better for free riding which is what you are doing now. Nothing wrong with upgrading as long as you can get a good price for selling the old kites.

The major distinction between the Evo and the Rebel is that the Evo is 3 strut kite while the Rebel is a 5 strut kite. This makes the rebel slower in the air, but it holds it's shape better in gusty conditions. Overall they are very similar and I don't think I would be able to choose between the two for simple jumping and free riding.

Also what Sun above said is absolutely correct. You can mix and match kites with control bars with some small technical details which don't matter moving from the RPM to the Evo or Rebel. Maybe you will need to buy some pigtails maybe to change from knot to loop on the kite end or control bar end that's all.

If you are happy with the RPM stick with it and just grab that click control bar. If there are some other reasons that have made you want to change to duotone go ahead and change over, Evo or Rebel are both fine. Around here everyone chooses a Rebel because it jumps slightly higher than the Evo but I like the Evo better because it's a little quicker in the air. Kind of weird that Duotone has two kites so close to each other in performance where the biggest difference is one is a 3 strut and the other is a 5 strut. Most other kite manufacturers have gone entirely to 3 strut kites for the free riding jumping kite.

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Re: Evo vs Rebel vs RPM

Postby Blackened » Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:06 am

tonester wrote:
Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:30 pm
Hey guys

New starter here, started this summer, and now I can drive easy both directions and of course make the easy transition.

Currently, I ride a 10m and 12m, both Slingshot RPM´s from 2020.

I am thinking to change to Duotone (clickbar is an attractive option as well).

I would like to be informed if anyone has experience from the EVO and Rebel and if he could possibly compare them with the RPM I have.

Maybe it´s not a good option and I can stay with the RPM´s for another year.

My style is and will remain freeride for the whole year, aiming starting slowly some small jumps after few months...

My spot has around +- 20 knots.

I am thanking you in advance.

Tonester
1. The Evo is the best kite to freeride/learn on of the three. It's the easiest to fly and not as punishing when you crash. Basically, you're more likely to try new things because it won't hurt as bad.

2. The clickbar is somewhat polarizing. The main attractions are the auto swivel and the "clean trim", but a few brands have that now. I think they're overpriced, heavy, and needlessly complicated. A mate of mine thinks they're the best bar on the market. He owns three... There are plenty of kiteforum posts on it, so if you're bored, look them up to have a read about the pros/cons.

3. If you're riding happily on the RPMs, there is no reason to change kites unless you have money to burn. The Evo will help you learn quicker and the Rebel will instantly make you jump higher, but I don't think the cost of a new kite is worth it over what you already have as you won't be able to use any of the kites to even close to their potential for a couple years. If you still want to swap to Duotone, the Evo is one of the best kites on the market for progression. It's even used for big air riding in King of the Air, so don't worry about outgrowing it.

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Re: Evo vs Rebel vs RPM

Postby leeuwen » Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:26 am

I would personally stay with the kites that you have.
You are not being held back by them in any way at your skill level.

Regarding the clickbar:
I would stay away. I am currently selling mine after about a year so I have a decent amount of experience with it.

What’s good:
* bar throw length is good
* auto untwist works ok ish (only other experience I have is with core and that is a lot better)
* like the click part of the bar for power/depower
* has multiple attachments loops for the safety available (surf/wake etc)
* pigtails that have loops and a knot, every brand should do that

The bad:
* safety is probably the worst of all brands to reset, you basically need 3 hands if there is any tension coming from the kite, they really need to replace it with a click-in version
* durability: the grip is showing way to much wear
* I think the surface is a bit to rough on both bar grip and the plastic tube that runs through the bar. My hands are really hurting from friction some times while I am only foiling
* the square plastic tube has way to much friction especially when it is dry. Sharply turning the bar and sheeting at the same time is not really possible. I actively need to drop in the water a few times each session to get some water on it to “lubricate” it
* wear issues with the safety line going through the plastic tube. Seem to depend a bit from bar to bar. Mine is ok ish but I am only foiling and it still shows some wear. Also the replacement is a needlessly long and expensive part
* don’t get any pre 2021 model, the line quality is bad!
* would not combine the bar with a low V kite, wear of the lines through the plastic tube is even worse when there is no line splitter attached
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Re: Evo vs Rebel vs RPM

Postby Aberdovy kiter » Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:22 am

I've moved from 2015 rebels to 2021 evo's, most of what has been mentioned is spot on, in a nutshell the evo is much more playful and fun to fly then the rebel and I'm now getting the same jump height with tweaks in my technique. Only been using clickbar for 6 months and yes it does bind when turning and sheeting in, depower system is so much better than conventional system thou..

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Re: Evo vs Rebel vs RPM

Postby duddd » Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:35 am

if you don't mind spending the money, i think it will help your riding style. unfortunately Slingshot kites don't really hold their price on second hand market and you will lose a ton of money.
RPM's are great kites, but they are more inclined towards unhooking. they can hold up pretty good to big air also, but you fall down like a rock and you need to have the heli loops on lock if you don't want your knees complaining or at least this was my experience. RPM has also a great construction and for the average kiter, i think one of these kites can hold maybe 5 years + . wind range however is very small and for a wider range you need 3 kites where as with a bow kited like rebel you could really do well with 2 kites

i've ridden RPM's for about 3 years and then switched to 8m rebel and 10m evo sls
after 3-4 sessions on the rebel and good wind, i immediately started jumping 3-4m more than what i used to on the rpm. the rebel puts you down like a feather and my knees started being happy after each session.
i was struggling with the heli loops on the rpm, but i started nailing them on the evo sls in a couple of sessions.
both kites, especially the rebel are way slower than the rpm and maybe you will miss the sporty and grunty feel of the rpm, but these kites have the upside of being more forgiving when trying new tricks
for sure i don't miss all the bar pressure the RPM had. when doing a kite trip where i'm kiting daily for more than 6 days i would always start feeling the "tennis elbow" and tendon aches after fourth day.
i like the rebel bar pressure as it's somewhere in between the evo and the RPM. the evo has a way too soft bar pressure to be honest and i'm still getting accommodated with it. the upside is even when i'm really overpowered, due to the lack of bar pressure i don't feel scared and i can start trying tricks i would normally feel scared in those conditions

you can change evo/rebel with kites from any other brands, but with similar shapes. i think all brands are doing good kites, it just depends what type of shape you choose for your riding style
swap kites with one of your friends for 3-4 sessions and then you can take an educated decision. it doesn't need to be rebel/evo, just swap with someone who has a bow shaped kite, instead of this (not so open) C of the RPM. the differences between rebel/xr / orbit / bandit are not that huge between compared between them, but if you compare any of these kites with the RPM , you will understand the difference and whether you would prefer changing shapes, especially if you don't unhook

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Re: Evo vs Rebel vs RPM

Postby matth » Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:15 pm

I'm not sure why people often say the Evo and Rebel are basically the same kite. The Rebel is higher aspect, has a flatter profile, flies more forward in the window, and has 5 struts/more stable canopy.
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Re: Evo vs Rebel vs RPM

Postby Havre » Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:59 pm

I don't know how many hours you have had on the water?

For me it doesn't make much sense to change kites until you have reached a certain level. In the beginning it was impossible for me to tell if it was because of me or the kite that the kite behaved like it did. With time you then learn to ride the kite you got. When you reached that point it is much more fun to change kites - because you then start to understand what is down to the kite and what is down to you.

You would then also know better what kind of kite you would like to switch to. Something that boost easily like the Rebel? More allround like the Evo? Or maybe more "playful" like the Dice? If you for whatever reason would like to switch to Duotone.


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