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Edge v10 vs orbit 21-22

Postby Cheoz0r86 » Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:05 pm

Hi everyone, would appreciate some feedback on these 2 kites, regarding ease of use, bar pressure, boosting, low end - top end.

Please unbiased reviews from people who have tested both kite, not fanboiiiis please.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Edge v10 vs orbit 21-22

Postby Blackened » Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:44 pm

Ease of use:
The Edge isn't an easy to ride kite, but the Orbit has a front stall issue. If you slack the lines or fly it at 12 in light/gusty conditions, it will fall out of the sky. Edge will also front stall, but not as badly.

Bar Pressure:
Edge is medium, Orbit is light.

Boosting:
Edge will jump higher and easier. It also has better hangtime. The Orbit is not a slouch in terms of height or hangtime compared to most kites, just the Edge is better.

Low End:
Edge has way more low end. Almost a size difference in comparison. As in, a 9m Edge = 10m Orbit.

Top End:
Orbit is designed for overpowered riding. The top end is limitless and well exceeds most other kites I've flown. Edge doesn't have the same range, but performs very well at its top end.

Speed/Handling:
Orbit is more responsive and connected (once in the middle of the windrange). It is much, much quicker to turn. Brilliant for looping. Edge is one of the slowest LEI's I've ridden in terms of turning speed.

Conclusion:
Edge V10 = pure boosting and freeriding
Orbit = megalooping
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Re: Edge v10 vs orbit 21-22

Postby DonaldM » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:35 am

Can't offer any advice, but I wanted to give kudos on that super clear comparison. Thanks Blackened. Always wondered how these kites differed.

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Re: Edge v10 vs orbit 21-22

Postby Havre » Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:58 pm

Did you use the kites with the same bar or with Ozone and North bars? I'm not sure how much 3m longer lines matter, but it should be some (assuming you used different bars).

Also I wonder how much more of the kites sqm is in the tips on the Orbit. I guess for the Edge that there is at least some more of the sqm placed where it gives you "power" so that 9m vs 9m isn't really comparing apples for apples.

Not sure how easy it is to objectively measure this, but if a 9m Edge and 10m Orbit is comparable on the low end and you could ride the Orbit at higher winds then that would be a clear "win" for the Orbit for me. Especially if the 10m Orbit is still faster than the 9m Edge. As a general kite that is - not necessarily for boosting.

Unfortunately I have never ridden the Edge myself, but on my local spots the Edge quite clearly dominates among the big jumpers. Very few here do crazy looping. Should also be said due to the local distribution Ozone is more common than at least Core. And even if Duotone is quite common there are a lot more Evos than Rebels.

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Re: Edge v10 vs orbit 21-22

Postby Blackened » Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:15 pm

Havre wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:58 pm
Did you use the kites with the same bar or with Ozone and North bars? I'm not sure how much 3m longer lines matter, but it should be some (assuming you used different bars).

Also I wonder how much more of the kites sqm is in the tips on the Orbit. I guess for the Edge that there is at least some more of the sqm placed where it gives you "power" so that 9m vs 9m isn't really comparing apples for apples.
Ozone with Ozone, North with North. I used the 23m lines on the Edges when I rode them. Longer lines do make a reasonable difference. I swap back and forth between 22 & 27m on my bigger kites - turning speed and power are very noticeable.

Yeah, the Edge is very flat across almost the entire canopy, where the Orbit is only flat across the centre. I always thought it was supposed to be projected area, so a 10sq kite would have that much available to the wind. Different brands measure their kites differently, though. Duotone markets the Neo as having so much power, you need to size down for the equivalent power of other kites. But, laying Neos out on top of other kites the same size, but they were always bigger. I always used to think, "Well, the reason they're more powerful is because they're just bigger."
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Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:58 pm
Not sure how easy it is to objectively measure this, but if a 9m Edge and 10m Orbit is comparable on the low end and you could ride the Orbit at higher winds then that would be a clear "win" for the Orbit for me. Especially if the 10m Orbit is still faster than the 9m Edge. As a general kite that is - not necessarily for boosting.

Unfortunately I have never ridden the Edge myself, but on my local spots the Edge quite clearly dominates among the big jumpers. Very few here do crazy looping. Should also be said due to the local distribution Ozone is more common than at least Core. And even if Duotone is quite common there are a lot more Evos than Rebels.
9m kites are cheaper than 10m? 'Win' for the Edge in my books :P. I agree, super subjective and just depends what you want out of a kite.

Evo is just a much easier kite to fly and works from beginners though to advanced. It's is still my favourite kite to freeride, just because it's so easy and I never have to think about it. It's the perfect kite for 90% of riders. Only reason I'd put someone on a Rebel over an Evo is to specifically boost higher/longer, or they needed more low end power (aka, fat).

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Re: Edge v10 vs orbit 21-22

Postby Havre » Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:48 pm

I think what you meant to say was tall :wink:

I always thought the opposite in terms of sizing, but I really have no idea. And it might vary from brand to brand also?

In the Oslo area I suspect it has something to do with the retailers. Maybe there are more Enduros than Edges, but it is quite close. Definitely more Xrs than any other Core kite. My impression at least without being very scientific about it. But I do see your point of course. When I borrow one of my friends Rebel it does drive me mad after some time how slow it is and the odd Zeppelin if you crash badly (still love it because it boosts so well). Enduro is so so much nicer in terms of speed and general handling. If I had been 30cm shorter I would never have wanted a Rebel.
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Re: Edge v10 vs orbit 21-22

Postby Blackened » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:17 am

Yes, tall! That's it. We're just very tall.

I don't know. Need a manufacturer to chime in here on how their kites are measured and labeled. I'm pretty sure it's not consistent across brands though.

I agree. Retailers buy what they think is the best kite for the conditions/clientele in their areas.

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Re: Edge v10 vs orbit 21-22

Postby Cheoz0r86 » Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:57 pm

Thanks to all for the feedback, I'm just trying to figure out which kites to buy for my next quiver. Currently jumping around 10m able to do downloops, backroll kite loops and some basic tricks

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Re: Edge v10 vs orbit 21-22

Postby Blackened » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:12 pm

Cheoz0r86 wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:57 pm
Thanks to all for the feedback, I'm just trying to figure out which kites to buy for my next quiver. Currently jumping around 10m able to do downloops, backroll kite loops and some basic tricks
What disciplines are you interested in doing? That will quickly decide which kite of the two you want. Your profile says you have a 2022 Sculp, so I assume you're not looking for 12m+? You also have 2020 Hypers in multiple sizes? What kites are you looking to replace? Your only gap is a 9m, so you could just add a 9m Orbit for looping (it's the best size!)?

I haven't ridden any CF kites, so can't comment on them.
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Re: Edge v10 vs orbit 21-22

Postby Cheoz0r86 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:12 am

Blackened wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:12 pm
Cheoz0r86 wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:57 pm
Thanks to all for the feedback, I'm just trying to figure out which kites to buy for my next quiver. Currently jumping around 10m able to do downloops, backroll kite loops and some basic tricks
What disciplines are you interested in doing? That will quickly decide which kite of the two you want. Your profile says you have a 2022 Sculp, so I assume you're not looking for 12m+? You also have 2020 Hypers in multiple sizes? What kites are you looking to replace? Your only gap is a 9m, so you could just add a 9m Orbit for looping (it's the best size!)?

I haven't ridden any CF kites, so can't comment on them.
Mainly big air, the 12m 2022 sculp is a weapon for low wind days so got that covered. Just looking for something that loops better and has less bar pressure, boosting with the hypers is great but they pull super hard when looping and you have to give the bar a proper yank. I live in Northern Ireland so having squalls during sessions is very common here, a 15 knots sesh can become a 30knots sesh in a blink of an eye so I kite with a great top end that gives you confidence in rough conditions is what im looking for as I usually stop doing kiteloops when forecast gets close or above 30knots.

Been thinking on a 10m and 8m orbit. I do fine with my 8m hyper when is gusting close to 40knots (hyper 8m feels like a 9m) taking into account its a kite geared towards mid and low end.


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