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Re: CrazyFly Sick bar 2021 Falling apart mid jump - warning

Postby andylc » Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:29 am

When talking about recalls I wasn’t referring to Ozone, I was thinking about Naish doing it recently after a single failure.
Don’t think the Ruben Lenten incident was considered a failure as he said himself he accidentally fired the quick release during the kiteloop. Maybe a slight design issue with that lip at the top, but they clearly don’t consider it an issue as the design doesn’t seem to have changed.

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Re: CrazyFly Sick bar 2021 Falling apart mid jump - warning

Postby kiteman007 » Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:43 pm

Cezary wrote:
Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:09 am
I’m sorry but I never claimed there was no chicken loop line , I just don’t know this for sure, can only suspect it. Also
I don’t know why pretty much brand new bar failed in moderate conditions!
As to the blue PU tube it never failed as you can see on photos, the connection of PU tube to the swivel failed not the PU tube itself.
In any case if it was a failure of the loading line in PU tube there must be something very wrong with this bar, that’s all!
A number of guys said it’s very low quality bar, perhaps that’s the answer!?
Dude, there are posts where you claim the CF did not install the line in the bar. Look yourself at what you wrote.
I also do not know why the bar failed, but I wrote a few reasons why it might have failed.
A number of guys said it is low quality. Create another topic about quality of bars and you will see all brands have bar quality problems. Just saying.
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Re: CrazyFly Sick bar 2021 Falling apart mid jump - warning

Postby evan » Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:09 pm

Try to disassemble the Tube from the cleat and bottom plastic part. I bet the thin depower cord broke inside the tube, after wich the tube got pulled off the chickenloop including the green bottom part exposing the metal top of the chickenloop after which the pin where the depower cord is looped around could fall off including the remaining bottom half of that line. This way it seems as if it was never installed, but the top half should be still inside the tube connected to the cleat.

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Re: CrazyFly Sick bar 2021 Falling apart mid jump - warning

Postby CaptainKook » Thu Nov 11, 2021 3:20 pm

CaptainKook wrote:
Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:21 am
I have been using CF sickbar and kites for last 4yrs with no issues, regularly jumping, and regularly in high winds and in heavy surf.

I can only say that in my own personal experience, CF is very good quality. The main depower line is probably 6mm or 8mm and has never given me any problems.

Can I ask OP
Kite size used?
Boardsize used?
Wind speed?
Wind gusts? on date/time of accident
Rider weight?
What depth of water was the jump in?
How many jumps were recorded prior to the incident during that session?
How many jumps were recorded on the previous 10-12 sessions using the bar?

There's no way you rode the bar for 10-12 sessions previous to the incident without a main depower line inside the PVC. The PVC tube would have ripped off on the first or second session.

Riders nearly always snap lines, or break depower lines (on any brand bars) when they are seriously overpowered.
Waiting your answers to above?

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Re: CrazyFly Sick bar 2021 Falling apart mid jump - warning

Postby Cezary » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:16 pm

Captain Cook said:
Can I ask OP
Kite size used?
Boardsize used?
Wind speed?
Wind gusts? on date/time of accident
Rider weight?
What depth of water was the jump in?
How many jumps were recorded prior to the incident during that session?
How many jumps were recorded on the previous 10-12 sessions using the bar?
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2.136x41 Ltd
3.18-20knts, from memory but you can check the weather records by date/time
4. +10%
5.87kg
6.deep
7.36 as per photo of the of the last sesh
8. Hundreds ,

I checked the number of times I used the bar and it’s only 6/7 not 10/12.
Attached are photos with the names of my 2 only kiting spots : St kilda marina and on rare occasions Rosebud, if you want you can check every sesh recorded on Woo.
Hope it helps and perhaps you can offer us some insight what and why it happened plus what to do it’s never repeated……. Manufacturer CF will not offer us any explanation unfortunately except the statement the power line is missing and the bar doesn’t have to be examined by them!
Also , the G force on impact only 9.2 G cos the water was hit on angle and my RHS took biggest blow not the board.
The bar failed before the kite was redirected, at 2 o’clock approx.
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Re: CrazyFly Sick bar 2021 Falling apart mid jump - warning

Postby Gonzavala » Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:58 pm

As an owner of a sick bar, I've been reading closely and even if it's a one-off, I think CF should at least provide instructions of how to check the depower line for wear

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Re: CrazyFly Sick bar 2021 Falling apart mid jump - warning

Postby andylc » Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:05 pm

I’m not sure you can do that on any pu covered depower line excepting if it’s clear and you can see it inside (eg F-one Linx up until this year (it’s black now).

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Re: CrazyFly Sick bar 2021 Falling apart mid jump - warning

Postby CaptainKook » Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:07 pm

Thanks Cezary for info.

Info would confirm there was definitely a main line inside the PVC, which has failed.

As I say I personally have had no problems with my sickbar over 4 years regular riding, jumping, waves and overpowered conditions, as I'm sure a lot of other readers of this forum who use CF would agree.

I would not hesitate buying CF kit again as mine has lasted very well with no issues.

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Re: CrazyFly Sick bar 2021 Falling apart mid jump - warning

Postby Peter_Frank » Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:34 pm

Reading this thread, I am amazed that some would expect to get compensation for pain or other things.

They replaced the bar, which is great.

You dont like the way they handled the issue, that does not sound great, agree.

But to expect to be compensated for more than the bar, is ridiculous IMO.

Sounds almost like the crazy US "lawyer" hilarious claims that some gain on, without reason.
I assume it is not that crazy in OZ?

One should always expect things can break, it could be a line, a harness, a hook, anything.

So the risk is all on your side, solely, no matter which part might have a defect.
Only exception is the Quick Release, if it should match a standard, and it does not - and you get injured or die.

As simple as that :D

So you can get the defect part replaced, and thats it.
Same all over the world regarding parts, also in the business industri, no matter how expensive the "follow up" costs get for you, you only get the parts replaced.

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Re: CrazyFly Sick bar 2021 Falling apart mid jump - warning

Postby Cezary » Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:10 pm

Toby said:
“I checked your posting history and all I can find is complaining about brands and their gear.”

Obviously your aim is to discredit me and enable CF to distract us from the main issue here, namely why the bar failed and what to do the same is not repeated!
Immediately after your post CF “Official” got involved accusing me about a number of things and stating at the end “ no more comments to be made” How convenient!
Great job guys to shut the issue!

Probably it was the same Juraj Bukovcak who firmly stated before:

On the bar, nothing can break as this puts riders at high risk. All parts of the bar are very carefully designed to be extremely strong and durable”
And then
, “it cannot cost too much, because it is just a bar, right?
Yes Juraj Right it’s only a stupid bar who gives a f….c if it’s safe, it must be cheap first of all so you can sell as many as possible.
Great Attitude of “Great Eastern European Company “

So thanks to your help Toby CF Official is no longer under any obligation to answer:

1. Why pretty much new bar failed!
2. What is the size of the Power Line, is it true that as Evan claimed this critical for safety line is ONLY 2.5-3.0mm, rather than minimum 5.0 plus!!
3. Why the power line is completely gone in photos!?
4. Why the fact the line is missing gives CrazyF reason to refuse close inspection of the failed bar to establish what exactly happened and why!?
5. How the Power Line is fixed at both ends etc.

From 2 posts the CrazyF made we only know 2 things:

1. No inspection of the bar needed cos the Power Line is missing on my photos!!??
2. No compensation is warranted for my destroyed wetsuit and thermal top ( photos attached in this topic)
Not to mention for pain & suffering, time off work etc.

Great job CrazyF👍🏼 keep doing this and make as much as you possibly can from the people happy to pay for your products and after service!😀👍🏼


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