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2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:33 pm
by Guttorm
I am 112kgs & 202cm and wants to change a 2016 Xr4 17 into something new & better for TT riding in 15-28 knots
I have Xr3 9, Xr4 11, 13,5, 17 Edge 19
I like to go fast with a lot of power.
Thinking about a Xr7, but there are several other brands that have lighter models, are they any better?
Please help.

Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:57 pm
by SolarSet
You want to ride 17m LEI in 15-28kts? Or this is whole wind range for all your kites?
As for best kite in 17m I would put my money on Ocean Rodeo Aluula Flite or DT juice D’Lab.
I much prefer LEI than foil kites since I owned one for 3 years but for more than 15m I would prefer to have Soul than any LEI in such a large size

Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:28 pm
by Toby
112 kg…of course he wants a big kite for THAT wind range;-)

Heavy kiters want to do tricks too ! Power needed.

Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:56 pm
by apollo4000
I like my Fat Lady. See Blade kiteboarding 17m

Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:24 pm
by Guttorm
SolarSet wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:57 pm
You want to ride 17m LEI in 15-28kts? Or this is whole wind range for all your kites?
As for best kite in 17m I would put my money on Ocean Rodeo Aluula Flite or DT juice D’Lab.
I much prefer LEI than foil kites since I owned one for 3 years but for more than 15m I would prefer to have Soul than any LEI in such a large size
My kites give me the range from 11-50 knots
So yes the 17 is for 15-28 knots 🤙

Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:31 pm
by SMJ
Guttorm wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:33 pm
I am 112kgs & 202cm and wants to change a 2016 Xr4 17 into something new & better for TT riding in 15-28 knots
I have Xr3 9, Xr4 11, 13,5, 17 Edge 19
I like to go fast with a lot of power.
Thinking about a Xr7, but there are several other brands that have lighter models, are they any better?
Please help.
Guttorm,
Welcome to the club! There are a bunch of bigger guys on this forum in search of the same kite you're looking for. I'm 104kg and enjoy Airstyle and going big, but to be honest I still haven't come across a 17m I'm completely happy with.

I can't recommend the 17m XR6 (which I currently own). I have not flown the 17m XR7 yet, so can't comment if it's been improved. The 17m XR6 falls out of the sky during lulls (it's quite heavy for a "light wind" kite), and it doesn't have much range (tops out around 19 mph). It also jumps much more horizontally (downwind) than its 15m counter-part. The 17m does, however, have excellent hang-time.

I also currently own the 15m XR7 (and previously owned the 15m in XR6 and XR5 models). The 15m XR (in all models I've flown) is an absolute gem - quite possibly one of the best Airstyle kites currently on the market. But to me, it's a completely different kite from the 17m. The 15m is faster (obviously), lighter on the bar, jumps straight up vertically, and has a HUGE wind range.

So unfortunately, I don't have any good recommendations for you - just steering you away from the 17m XR6 (again I have not flown the 17m XR7). I've recently been looking at the GTS 17m, but haven't gotten a lot of feedback on that kite on this forum.

I think Core could get it right if they lightened up the 17m XR (less struts and / or lighter materials). Perhaps they'll jump on the Aluula train in the future.

If you come across a 17m Airstyle / big air LEI kite you really like please share!!! Until then...the search goes on.

Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:49 pm
by alpaia
I recall someone boosting in light wind TT on our lake with Ozone Zephyr.
Did you consider cabrinha contra or duotone Juice ?
Fewer people now are using big kites with the development of foiling, so second hand they can be good deals.

Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:54 pm
by Guttorm
alpaia wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:49 pm
I recall someone boosting in light wind TT on our lake with Ozone Zephyr.
Did you consider cabrinha contra or duotone Juice ?
Fewer people now are using big kites with the development of foiling, so second hand they can be good deals.
The Contra is a medium aspects SLE construction so it is less efficient at going upwind with speed compaired to Delta/Bow kites, so not on my list.

Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:11 am
by SolarSet
I say you are looking for a unicorn, once you find it share a picture of it 8)

Soul 18m would meet this criteria of this massive wind range but it comes with some cons as well

Re: 2022 What is the new best 17m tube kite for big air?

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:31 pm
by Havre
You can definitely boost with the Zephyr, but I can't compare it with other kites - as I have never been on a big kite other than the Zephyr. In terms of range I think it is fairly spot on. I would struggle to ride mine in 28 knots, but I got a slightly old model - so with a bit more skill and maybe a newer model it might work. We aren't too far from each other in terms of weight - I'm typically around 100kg - so 15-28 should be possible.

I have just ordered an Edge v11 13m which I'm planning to replace my Zephyr with. If you want more power I could see the Edge 15m might working? Theoretically speaking that should be a nice kite between a Core 13.5 and the 19m Edge. But I guess the same goes for a XR7 - and I can't give any input to how good those kites are.

I'm expecting to lose a bit of low end replacing my Zephyr, but I don't think it is all that much fun riding in 15 knots any longer anyway. Getting to 20knots and up I'm "sure" (hopefully at least) I'll have more fun on a 13m Edge than 17m Zephyr - even if the Zephyr is great in 20 knots as well.

Jumping on my Zephyr is quite interesting. It pulls like a truck so edging isn't the easiest. Decent "yank" launching, but not as brutal as for example a Rebel. Height is good, but not brilliant vs. a more specialized "big air" kite. At least that is how it feels as I have never measured. Hang time is good to very good. And I'm pretty sure my Zephyr is faster than a 13m Rebel (2019) I borrow from time to time. So a very good kite overall I would argue, but if the Zephyr is your best option or not I couldn't say.