Call the industry to unify inflation valves

[purdyd]

Above suggestion of standard(universal) bayonet pump hose fittings and valve replacement options is excellent!!!!

Can we please have a standard or universal-
Internal hose fitting diameter,
External hose fitting diameter,
Bayonet size(length depth).

And also adapters that fit to the universal pump hose?

Yes, the duotone bayonet valve is a classic example of where the outside diameter of the hose and the depth that it can be inserted are important parameters.

The good news is the duotone pump hose fits on standard boston valves just fine so it is sort of a universal bayonet mount design.

like I said, I'm not a hug fan of the duotone valve but if the industry adopted the duotone pump hose bayonet dimensions it would work with more kites. duotone anyway.

And if any new valves are developed that would work within those dimensions it would be at least one less thing to worry about.

But I have little confidence in an industry that can't even figure out which bridles lines should have the loops or knots.

[knyfe]

Well the bayonet is used by some companies but I am not a fan as you need to rotate your pump accordingly to get the bayonet line up in the first place. Also, that’s the valve I had multiple problems with. I think I am on replacement number 3 or so. I like the ease of use of the Boston.

[dice]

How many use this?

Have never seen it myself, but would be great

Standard pump hoses all come with the bayonet:

Stdpump.jpg


Which kites/Wings use valves where the std bayonet fits?

i find it utterly frustrating, that North/Duotone use an "almost" bayonet valve, but a few tenths of a mm different, so a std hose/pump without adaptor does not work....
Close but no cigar

Peter

Weird, I have the last and second last generation kite of the old North (just before it became Duotone) and I use the standard pump hose with no adapter.
It's awesome, since everyone has it on their pump, so if I ever forget, I literally can use anyones pump.

[EastCC]

pumps come with all the fittings now so....?

[grigorib]

I guess be careful what are you wishing for - some thoughts materialize.
French regulatory body AFNOR has announced that the only watersports (kayaks, SUPs, kites etc) approved and acceptable valve is to be the halkey.
Gear not matching government requirements is considered unsafe and both store and private sales are considered illegal.
The regulation has high chance becoming accepted and enforced in whole EU.

[Fatso]

I guess be careful what are you wishing for - some thoughts materialize.
French regulatory body AFNOR has announced that the only watersports (kayaks, SUPs, kites etc) approved and acceptable valve is to be the halkey.
Gear not matching government requirements is considered unsafe and both store and private sales are considered illegal.
The regulation has high chance becoming accepted and enforced in whole EU.

Nah, it's a stretch. That valve isn't used in kites however they may have standardized it for inflatable water faring equipment, kite are considered flying equipment but inflatable boards on the other hand...

AFNOR cannot enforce this and other EU bodies will not follow. What's your source on the announcement? I'm French, I can read it and see what's what.

[Faxie]

I guess be careful what are you wishing for - some thoughts materialize.
French regulatory body AFNOR has announced that the only watersports (kayaks, SUPs, kites etc) approved and acceptable valve is to be the halkey.
Gear not matching government requirements is considered unsafe and both store and private sales are considered illegal.
The regulation has high chance becoming accepted and enforced in whole EU.

Nah, it's a stretch. That valve isn't used in kites however they may have standardized it for inflatable water faring equipment, kite are considered flying equipment but inflatable boards on the other hand...

AFNOR cannot enforce this and other EU bodies will not follow. What's your source on the announcement? I'm French, I can read it and see what's what.

Look at the date

[grigorib]

For more exciting news of the day see grigorib7 stories on Instagram - them posts got removed from here and I was fortunate to take screenshots before losing them

[rnelias]

Which kites/Wings use valves where the std bayonet fits?

i find it utterly frustrating, that North/Duotone use an "almost" bayonet valve, but a few tenths of a mm different, so a std hose/pump without adaptor does not work....
Close but no cigar

Peter

It's not the only difference. DTK adapter also has a kind of groove to open/close the valve while twisting.

I'm not "loyal" to any particular brand and have kites of different brands here. As an engineer, I usually try to understand how things work and why they're made in a specific way. Therefore, some valves have nice pros but some cons too. For instance, the F-One/Naish valve is nice since it's shared with other industries (SUP, kayaks and other inflatables). Cheap, easy to find, works very well but, it works in a "closed state", thus, it can't show you the exact kite pressure since the valve is constantly being closed by a diafragma. AFAIK, the only valve that works in an "open state", while pumping, is Duotone's. Ok... but, who cares about pressure when we can flick the leading edge with a finger and guess the correct pressure by the sound

Cabrinha/North/Eleveight are basically the same and, when you loose the leash that holds the valve attached to the kite, be sure that you'll also loose the valve and need a new one . The same applies to the Boston valve used by Ozone. All valves that work with a separeted cap, that must be twisted to open/close have the same flawnesses: 1). if you loose the leash, will also loose the valve and 2). you must be carefull to not stress the bladder while twisting the cap.

Here's a spreadsheet I've made to collect some data about the mess we have in the kite's industry

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

What I really desire is that all bars use low V split. High V split has nothing to contribute imho.

[rnelias]

Some cheap adapters:

1). F-One/Naish: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001102 ... caa49Vmwzn

2). Ozone/Cabrinha/Eleveight/North/Nobile: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001219 ... caa49Vmwzn

with these adapters I can inflate the mix of LEI kites I have here

(but I also have a DTK hose just to pump my Rebels)