Adventure Logs wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:00 am
Guess I found the Lift fan boy. I have seen several Lift battery fires through social media platforms now since I've started seriously looking into efoils, not a single Flite.
I did significate research between the two boards. The only advantage I saw on the lift was the ability to use the wings while kiting and the lack of inspection requirement for warranty. That's it. They're controller sucks, their internals are way too complex-more like a home made board-which gives more chance for failure, more involved to clean after salt use(which is my main use), harder to swap boards(I plan on having a spare large board for rentals), weaker masts, and less optimal placement of the motor.
When it comes down to it, lift is over charging IMO. With the prices being the same as they are, Flite is obviously the superior design. I was going to get a Lift3F since at a couple thousand less, I could overlook the outdated internals, but it couldn't configure it with the longer mast so wasn't for me. Lift needs to catch up. Simple as that.
You know, when you start out your reply with an Ad Hominem logical fallacy you're pretty much telling the world you can't really support your position with a rational, valid, argument. Rather than stoop to insulting you simply because you disagree with me--and the fact that you started out by insulting me--I'll simply address your errors.
1: Hmm, apparently your research wasn't so "significant."
2: Other benefits of the Lift design that your "research" didn't turn up.
A. Liquid cooling results in cooler electronics. This will likely will help the electronics live longer.
B. The "way too complex" board to mast connection takes all of 10 seconds longer to hook up than Flite. Total board assembly from a flat condition--necessary with a car or many boats--is faster with Lift.
C: By utilizing Liquid cooling Lift is able to use a carbon fiber mast as opposed to the aluminum mast of the Flite.
D: It's merely your opinion that the Lift Controller "sucks." I personally prefer the larger size as it's easier to flip up into my hand after riding unpowered.
E: Lift utilizes a folding prop as opposed to the free spinning prop Flite uses. Each has it's pros and cons. The Flite prop is easier to learn to power on and off; the Lift prop has significantly less drag when un-powered but is more difficult to achieve the skills required to power on and off while riding swell. So Flite is easier, but Lift--if you take the time to master the skills--is a much better experience when riding wakes, waves or swell. Me, I'll take the time to learn so that riding river swell is more like a regular hydrofoil.
F: Not only can you ride Lift eFoil wings when kiting, you can use many kite and wing foil wings with a Lift eFoil. If you're into multiple foiling sports this can save you thousands of dollars over Flite. I use my Moses/Sabfoil wings, my SS Phantasm wings and my Lift wings with my Lift eFoil.
G: The Lift mast allows you to have your wing 4" deeper than Flite's 28". This has pros and cons which anyone that hydrofoils will understand.
H: Lifts center of thrust is more centered as regards to drag than Flite. This creates a slightly more stable ride.
3: "Less optimal placement of the motor" for Lift. Really? Explain that. In certain situations that's true, in others not so much. Do you understand which is which? Regardless, in the one situation that it's true, the Lift folding prop more than makes up the difference.
4: "harder to swap boards." yes, it will take several seconds longer to swap a mast from board to board with Lift over Flite. OTH, extra masts will be much more expensive with Flite as the electronics are contained in the mast. Of course, that makes Lift spare boards more expensive, unless you opt to swap out the ESC as well.
5: You're absolutely right, it does take several minutes longer to properly rinse a Lift board after use in salt water.
6: Lift "weaker masts." Yes, carbon fiber masts are so much worse than aluminum masts. Seriously?
7: Do you understand the meaning of "statistically significant?" Yes there have been several Lift battery fires, and I believe Flite has not had one yet. Given that we don't actually know the cause of those fires and that Lift outsells Flite many times over, we can't draw any conclusions from these "social media" posts. Were the batteries abused? Were they left in the direct hot sun? We don't know. I do know that any Lithium Ion battery can catch fire if proper precautions aren't observed. Any. That's why I take care of my batteries. Only a fool thinks he/she doesn't need to take proper care of ANY battery.
8: Lift is "over-charging." Really? Do you not understand supply and demand? Lift outsells everyone else and there is almost always a waiting list to get a Lift eFoil. By definition, they are not "over-charging."
Again, I think Flite boards are great. I think anyone that buys one will be very happy with it. But then I'm secure in my choice of Lift and am enjoying my Lift eFoils greatly. I wonder why you're so insecure in your choice of eFoil that you have to insult anyone that prefers a different board?