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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby meccaloha » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:48 am

Hahaha that’s my concern for years with that NKB bar how hard is it to produce a normal bar with auto untwist…for know i’m riding it with the Reedin bar.
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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby maxiumum » Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:08 pm

We will see what the new navigator bar in autumn will bring.
Fingers crossed - auto untwist, ceramic swivel :wink:

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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby Durum » Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:40 pm

According to someone on this forum, Marc Jacobs has been seen riding a bar with auto untwist.
So I guess the 2024 bar will have it.

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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby Blackened » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:26 am

To update:

Rode an 2023 8m in 40kn gusting 55ish, 97kg weight, 4th setting - wingtips did not fold while riding or on takeoff. I did not test the other settings when the wind picked up. Other lighter riders were folding on the '21 version.

Loops on the 4th setting were very aggressive. It generated a lot more yank. I think it loops a little quicker than previous, but I didn't take too much notice on overall loop performance as I was trying not to die.
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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby dracop » Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:32 am

You realize you can just use any low V bar with good auto untwist?

With the exception of five line kites, Duotone kites, and Core everyone moved to low V. And even Duotone has started migrating their designs to low V - the new Rebel and Evo SLS fly awesome on low V by simply taking the V Distributor off a Click Bar.

Pick the bar you like just make sure to have good lines in addition to auto untwist.

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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby Blackened » Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:51 am

Further looping update for the 8m - Similar conditions: 30-35 gusting 45kn on the 4th setting

It's not as aggressive as I first thought, but definitely more than previous models. Loops are larger as you would expect from that setting. Overall loop time is similar due to the speed increase for this model year. Caught some gnarly gusts mid loop - kite remained remarkably stable, held its shape, and continued through the loop. It didn't stall like I expected and caught me without a problem. Previous gen would jellyfish and stall in gust like that. It also handled slack lines from overrunning the kite a bit better, but it's still an Orbit.

I forgot to mention that in my previous update. The '23 was noticeably more stable in the gusts in general. Gusts probably touched over 60kn in some proper horrendous survival kiting yesterday and it held together better than I did. Been a very long time since I put a kite to the edge of the window and snowplowed on full trim. Overall, very impressed with the new 8m.

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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby galzohar » Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:09 pm

At 80kg I had a really hard time with a 2023 9m when gusts were over 35 knots (and waves were high but manageable). Later I borrowed a 2022 8m which was working fine even as gusts went over 40, but was still very tough to ride.
Nobody was looping that day, although I had a friend who is probably lighter than me on a 9m Rebel managing to survive some jumps.
Jumps (off kicker) were always high enough to require 2 downloops to have any chance to land them.

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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby Blackened » Mon Feb 20, 2023 8:07 pm

galzohar wrote:
Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:09 pm
At 80kg I had a really hard time with a 2023 9m when gusts were over 35 knots (and waves were high but manageable). Later I borrowed a 2022 8m which was working fine even as gusts went over 40, but was still very tough to ride.
Nobody was looping that day, although I had a friend who is probably lighter than me on a 9m Rebel managing to survive some jumps.
Jumps (off kicker) were always high enough to require 2 downloops to have any chance to land them.
Was there something wrong with the kite, or just the power in 35kn on the 9m?

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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby galzohar » Mon Feb 20, 2023 10:17 pm

Blackened wrote:
Mon Feb 20, 2023 8:07 pm
Was there something wrong with the kite, or just the power in 35kn on the 9m?
It was just super strong. I could barely go upwind. Keep in mind it was scary gusty and the waves were big. It's not like riding relatively steady 35-40 knots in a lagoon. There is a reason absolutely nobody dared to do any kiteloop - Only huge jumps. With 8m it was much better, although a 7m would probably be optimal when gusts were over 40.

In Israel very few men (excluding wave riders, or guys with kids/girlfriends/wives that kite) own a 7m, as winds over 40 knots (or even over 35 knots) is a 0-2 times a year kind of thing. Winter is almost over now and we had 2 days with gusts in the 40 knots area.
Other seasons rarely go above 30, and even ~30 is pretty rare. I like that the 9m loops nicely even when it gusts only 23-25 knots, so it got a pretty big range in which it works great.
I wonder how it's going to handle in blue lagoon where in season 30-40 knots is common with wind from sunrise to sunset. I was only there in winter which is off season so had winds in the 16-28 knots range, with wind sometimes dying in the middle of the day and I was lucky to not have any windless days. Hopefully I'll get a chance to visit there again soon and try in perfect flat with stronger winds and see how it handles.

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Re: North Orbit 2023

Postby Blackened » Tue Feb 21, 2023 12:37 am

galzohar wrote:
Mon Feb 20, 2023 10:17 pm
Blackened wrote:
Mon Feb 20, 2023 8:07 pm
Was there something wrong with the kite, or just the power in 35kn on the 9m?
It was just super strong. I could barely go upwind. Keep in mind it was scary gusty and the waves were big. It's not like riding relatively steady 35-40 knots in a lagoon. There is a reason absolutely nobody dared to do any kiteloop - Only huge jumps. With 8m it was much better, although a 7m would probably be optimal when gusts were over 40.

In Israel very few men (excluding wave riders, or guys with kids/girlfriends/wives that kite) own a 7m, as winds over 40 knots (or even over 35 knots) is a 0-2 times a year kind of thing. Winter is almost over now and we had 2 days with gusts in the 40 knots area.
Other seasons rarely go above 30, and even ~30 is pretty rare. I like that the 9m loops nicely even when it gusts only 23-25 knots, so it got a pretty big range in which it works great.
I wonder how it's going to handle in blue lagoon where in season 30-40 knots is common with wind from sunrise to sunset. I was only there in winter which is off season so had winds in the 16-28 knots range, with wind sometimes dying in the middle of the day and I was lucky to not have any windless days. Hopefully I'll get a chance to visit there again soon and try in perfect flat with stronger winds and see how it handles.
Fair enough. You're 20kg lighter than me, so makes sense.

Where is this mystical ungusty lagoon of 30-40kn? :D


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