Political situation in Brazil

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Reading this thread is like rehashing the 2020 US election. Same arguments, same process, different country. I guess it shouldn't be too surprising as former Trump officials are advising the Bolsanaro camp.

Good news I guess that the Brazilian January 6th moment didn't happen last Tuesday.

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It was in last september 7th, our independence day (from Portugal). This place is 455k square yards! At least 1/5 was packed of people. I've never seen such a huge crowd in our capital. Our supreme court prohibited Bolsonaro to use these images in his campaign. It was massive!

It was deliberately targeted by Bolsanaro to coincide with independence celebrations and received criticism for doing so. He was accused of doing this often by targeting his rallies around popular events to inflate his popularity.

Conspiracy: Almost like he planned to say the election was fraudulent and point to them as proof? Where have we seen that before?



Anyway, jumping back out because I don't want to spend hours upon hours debunking nonsense. Good luck, Team Brazil. Stay safe.

[Havre]

How is Bolsonaro comparable to Trump? I mean Bolsonaro has hardly said anything. But it is those Trump advisors that make it the same? From a person that is basically silent? Which is the opposite of Trump.

Maybe you are seeing what you want to see here?

[rnelias]

It was in last september 7th, our independence day (from Portugal). This place is 455k square yards! At least 1/5 was packed of people. I've never seen such a huge crowd in our capital. Our supreme court prohibited Bolsonaro to use these images in his campaign. It was massive!

It was deliberately targeted by Bolsanaro to coincide with independence celebrations and received criticism for doing so. He was accused of doing this often by targeting his rallies around popular events to inflate his popularity.

Conspiracy: Almost like he planned to say the election was fraudulent and point to them as proof? Where have we seen that before?

but he never told the election was fraudulent. In fact, he's in complete silence since our second turn.

He always fought to make our election system more transparent but lost this fight since all the system main stream media, supreme court left-wing politicians, was against him.

How is Bolsonaro comparable to Trump? I mean Bolsonaro has hardly said anything. But it is those Trump advisors that make it the same? From a person that is basically silent? Which is the opposite of Trump.

Maybe you are seeing what you want to see here?

it's funny that our mainstream media is now complaining that Bolsonaro is not saying anything about the election.

[PDCK]

Hey Toby,
Wtf is this thread about!
Has nothing to do with what this forum is about!
You should probably share all your political garbage somewhere else!

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Why would foreign media be biased against one and in favor of another candidate? There is a lot of right wing media in the US and Europe. Yes, there are a lot of Bolsonaristas, nobody doubts this as he gained almost 50% of the votes and he won Brasilia , but there are also a lot of Lula supporters especially in the Northeast we he helped millions of people out of poverty. Without any proof these are just conspiration theories.

[Toby]

This topic should be less a political discussion, but rather a warning for people traveling to Brazil to know what’s going on. Things can get bad, it’s important for people to be aware to keep an eye on news, which you won’t here in mainstream media.

No one needs to read this topic, only the ones who are planning to travel to Brazil, or already there, to stay updated.

[Havre]

Why would foreign media be biased against one and in favor of another candidate? There is a lot of right wing media in the US and Europe. Yes, there are a lot of Bolsonaristas, nobody doubts this as he gained almost 50% of the votes and he won Brasilia , but there are also a lot of Lula supporters especially in the Northeast we he helped millions of people out of poverty. Without any proof these are just conspiration theories.

This is delusional. Media is left leaning in general - that is not up for debate (as an example in Norway the communist party is among journalists close to the same size as our two biggest conservative parties combined - among voters the latter is among 7x larger than the communist party - might not be as extreme everywhere, but widely documented how journalists, workers at media companies etc. are on average more left leaning than the average population). Even if it wasn't it is kind of funny how journalists aren't even trying to be objective any longer. When someone like Glenn Greenwald (who is on the left politically) criticizes the left - he is accused of being a "traitor". The same clearly also happens on the right.

Norwegian media reporting that Lula will save the rain forest. And that Bolsonaro is "corrupt". Funny how there is nothing about Lula and corruption - and nothing about how far less rain forest is now lost then was the case under Lula (yes - there was a good trend under Lula).

And your last point - I agree with you evidence has to be provided, but was the "lab leak theory" also a "conspiracy" or a valid "theory" (hypothesis) even if it wasn't proven by the time it was suggested? These days you can't even have a "theory" about something without those who wouldn't like that theory to be correct just referring to it as a "conspiracy theory". It is lazy and not very well thought through.

No one needs to read this topic

This concept a lot of people on here struggle with. And all of them are so so so angry

As to get back more on topic - will be interesting to see what happens when Bolsonaro hopefully recovers (I don't mean that as a political statement - just want him to be healthy - same goes for Lula).

[rnelias]

This is delusional. Media is left leaning in general...

I think it's all about who controls the narrative and "the truth"

Before internet, narratives were exclusively controlled by the media. No one could raise doubts about the news as they were centralized and flowing in one way direction. No one could contest the reality presented by them. It could explain why mainstream media tends to be more left-wing. It's about centralized control. Now, with internet, people can talk with each other and even proving facts sharing photos, videos and audios. They don't like this "free market of opinion" as they have lost the power to control the narrative. They're trying to get it back by pushing laws to control who can speak on internet and tagging what's "true" or not using "fact check" agencies.

Here in Brazil, for instance, Rede Globo, our biggest media company, had the power to make presidents (they still have this power as they worked to elect Lula). They have the power to make Bolsonaro sounds like Hitler to the world while putting Lula, a convict corrupt, as innocent. We're trying to fight against it using social media but our supreme court is censoring important people in this process, even our elected congressmen are being blocked.

Regarding conspiration theories... I could say that we already passed this stage. It's factual and is being told to the world already but... who cares?

https://sdgs.un.org/2030agenda



If you approve how China treats its citizens you'll be welcome to this "new world"...

[rnelias]

Why would foreign media be biased against one and in favor of another candidate? There is a lot of right wing media in the US and Europe. Yes, there are a lot of Bolsonaristas, nobody doubts this as he gained almost 50% of the votes and he won Brasilia , but there are also a lot of Lula supporters especially in the Northeast we he helped millions of people out of poverty. Without any proof these are just conspiration theories.

just a quick note here. Northeast region, the only one where Lula won Bolsonaro, is still the poorest region in Brazil. They have the worst educational indexes and people are still informed by radio as they don't have access to internet or TV. Even fresh water is not available to everyone in the northeast. If you've already kited in the far regions of northeast you know what I mean.

The wealthier regions are southeast and the south. Basically, the poorest Brazil region pushed a president to the rest of the country (and who supports them but it's another story -- about how money is distributed among our states).