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Postby Exal » Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:33 am
KiteFL1986 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:17 am
Failed launch straight through the power zone into a house/railing/gutter fully powered no release. The canopy shredded of course but the aluula took it like a champ. Hopefully this durability will hold up over time. Not my intention to do this experiment
Patched up nicely thanks to Airtime Kite
Sounds like you made it through this experiment without serious injury which is also good to hear!
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Its not about years its about milage! I think with DT using Aluula and Core we will have this material more tested.
SLS seems less reliable than Pentatex when you assume that there is more Pentatex kites than SLS.
Please also bear in mind that with new material products there could be more defects from the fact they change other aspect of kite like different bladder and these can increase defects not due to material but due to new significantly changed design.
Fortunately we have all these riders with too much money who can bench test all the new design and share their experience
I am 99% sure that the bladder in the duotone aluula kites is the same as in SLS kites, which is also used in the juice 2020? or 2021? The year ralf made the juice quite a bit lighter.
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Postby SolarSet » Wed Aug 02, 2023 11:07 am
DT Aluula kites have narrower LE I would not be so sure if they use same bladder at least not the same diameter for same size?
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Postby Exal » Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:31 pm
I was talking materials. The bladder costs the same between the models, so I would be surprised if they give you something better for the same price.
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Postby cor » Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:53 pm
The bladder in my Evo DLAB at least feels exactly the same as in my Evo SLS. I doubt that there are any differences.
Replacement bladders are a pain in the ass and a profitable business at the same time. There are literally 1000s of different bladder sizes (kite model x year x size). Adding a different material for just the DLABs makes it even more complicated so I doubt that they will develop any different type of bladder just for DLAB.
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Postby BGP » Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:42 pm
Greetings I had been looking at a Juice/DLAB15m2 or 17m2 for light wind TT riding. After reading about the EVO/DLAB I am now considering adding one in the 10-13m2 range. I currently have a 2023 7 & 9m2 Rebel SLS and a 12 & 15m2 2022 Rebel SLS. I have been on Rebels since first or second year they were out and unfortunately ride my 12 & 15m2 the most. I consider myself a big air kiter but my WOO stats would put as more of a medium air kiter. Like the Rebels but the Evo/DLAB sounds like a better jumper. Is side launching off a Sandy beach going to be that big of an issue durability wise? I ride solo allot and have stuck to that over an anchored launch. Fearing change and the uncertainties around the new fabric but like the benefits. Any thoughts?
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Postby Blackened » Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:00 am
BGP wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:42 pm
Greetings I had been looking at a Juice/DLAB15m2 or 17m2 for light wind TT riding. After reading about the EVO/DLAB I am now considering adding one in the 10-13m2 range. I currently have a 2023 7 & 9m2 Rebel SLS and a 12 & 15m2 2022 Rebel SLS. I have been on Rebels since first or second year they were out and unfortunately ride my 12 & 15m2 the most. I consider myself a big air kiter but my WOO stats would put as more of a medium air kiter. Like the Rebels but the Evo/DLAB sounds like a better jumper. Is side launching off a Sandy beach going to be that big of an issue durability wise? I ride solo allot and have stuck to that over an anchored launch. Fearing change and the uncertainties around the new fabric but like the benefits. Any thoughts?
1. Dlab - if you're an elite looping machine
2. Rebel - if you're just boosting around
The Dlab will jump higher with perfect technique / timing. It also has more hangtime because of how fast it flies. If you are just jumping and an average booster, you're better off sticking with the Rebel. It will get you higher on average with worse technique.
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Postby roQer » Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:24 am
Blackened wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:00 am
1. Dlab - if you're an elite looping machine
LOL, I wouldn't consider me an elite looping machine but I have a lot of fun jumping my DLabs with my mediocre jumping abilities. I even barely do some heli loops. Evo DLab teaches you at least the proper take off technique. It isn't a sheet and go kite like a Rebel but once you get your technique sorted out you can boost the hell out of it. Can speak for 15 Juice and 12 and 9 Evo. Smaller sizes might be more demanding, though, because the kite is so damn fast and responsive.
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Postby Blackened » Tue Aug 15, 2023 9:50 am
roQer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:24 am
Blackened wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:00 am
1. Dlab - if you're an elite looping machine
LOL, I wouldn't consider me an elite looping machine but I have a lot of fun jumping my DLabs with my mediocre jumping abilities. I even barely do some heli loops. Evo DLab teaches you at least the proper take off technique. It isn't a sheet and go kite like a Rebel but once you get your technique sorted out you can boost the hell out of it. Can speak for 15 Juice and 12 and 9 Evo. Smaller sizes might be more demanding, though, because the kite is so damn fast and responsive.
I'm not suggesting you can't have fun on an amazing kite. It's the best kite on the market. However, does it really matter swapping to a dlab from a year old Rebel for someone just boosting around? No.
As I've mentioned/recommended here multiple times, if you want to improve your technique, just get a do-everything from any brand (normal Evo in this case). A dlab to learn things is a waste of money.
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Postby roQer » Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:22 pm
Blackened wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 9:50 am
A dlab to learn things is a waste of money.
I very much disagree with this opinion. DLab is a waste of money if you wanna boost with poor technique and stick to it. If you wanna take your boosting to the next level and can financially afford it, why not.
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Postby BGP » Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:34 pm
Thanks for the responses. I land mostly by doing heli-loops, fairly regularly do hooked in kite loops and occasional back-roll hooked in kite loops. I used to think I was a decent jumper but since getting my WOO I have faced the reality that I am not even that good. We have been struggling to get any big windy days this year but I am working on my technique to get higher. None on my kites need to be replaced for sure but I can afford to add or replace a kite without it being an issue. I know it’s stupid but just trying to get as high as possible right now and don’t mind buying a kite or too to do it even if they are ridiculously expensive. I would be looking towards next year but those won’t be stocked at the local shop so have to order this fall I do worry about transitioning off the Rebel after so many years and about whether my timing is good enough. Part of why I was debating adding one despite my quiver not having a good hole to fill. 2003-2010 I rode a large variety of kites from C’s to the original bows and delta’s. Just hit the Rebels and after a few years stopped even testing out other kites. The stiffer air frame and bridling just seem like they would help.
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