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20m LEI Kites - Its Time

Postby Greenturtle » Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:24 pm

Its time for 20m+ lei kites.

I realize hydrofoiling blah blah and foil kites blah blah blah and huge door boards blah blah blah blah.
Don’t bother posting that.

I weigh 170 lbs / 77 kg and I have owned 19m turbine which is definitely the largest most powerful modern lei. I could ride it up to 15knt tropical breeze NO PROBLEM and the boost and especially hang time was awesome. But the design could be better overall. Like a Flite and a Rebel and an Edge had a baby, with out-of-control growth hormones.

Now we have aluula and a whole host of other lightweight materials and still there is nothing over 17 made out of them let alone in the 20’s. I realize there are still 19m kites out there but its too close to 17m. At these sizes 2m difference is nothing. Go 20m+ with this.

I want an lei that will get me LIT UP LIKE A BONFIRE in 10-12 knots. Honestly I don’t know anyone who wouldn’t. Except maybe all the posters on here who claim I should just ride a 15m and a door and mow the f’n lawn. Wtf.

Everyone talks about riding their 9m in 40 knots or whatever, but when it comes to light wind everyone is suddenly a huge wuss.

I don’t even think special materials are needed just make it normal-lightweight-as-possible and optimize it for boost in 10-15 knots and make sure it depowers great and relaunches in 10knt too.

Toby and I both want it. Neither of us is even fat, at all.
Anyone else?
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Re: 20m LEI Kites - Its Time

Postby sflinux » Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:44 pm

My 21-26M flysurfer kites have a sweet spot in 10-15k.

I want a 4 line c-kite.

Two options, 1) go vintage, or 2) make your own.
https://www.instructables.com/17m-Kite-v2.0/

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Re: 20m LEI Kites - Its Time

Postby JakeFarley » Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:48 pm

Aluula in a 20m kite is going to be expensive, but I think some may be willing to pay for one. The problem is the limited market for such a large kite. The kite companies are always going to cater to the demand in the marketplace.

Back in the day (2001-2003) I had a 21.5m Cabrinha Blacktip, a 19.5m Airush Pro and later a 20m Best Waroo (I weigh 92kg), the first two C kites. They were beasts and pulled like a freight train with incredible boost. It was a workout just inflating them until I bought an electric pump. Also I believe Gaastra back then made a 26m kite. As I ride in mostly light winds and could not find a 20m+ LEI kite, about 6 years ago I opted to go with a 21m Flysurfer Speed 5. At your weight you could ride a foil kite in sub 10 knots IMO. You just have to get used to the technicalities of launching/relaunching and landing them.

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Re: 20m LEI Kites - Its Time

Postby Toby » Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:43 pm

I can only agree ;-)

Guys with weight can't ride a 14 in 12 knots. Last time I used a 14 was for the Guiness record run...in 15 knots. 1m jumps are not my world. I was thinking the whole time why people ride such small kites..it's just no fun to have no power. And on top, at launch a guy came to me and said: wow, that's a big kite. to a 14 !!! I was laughing loud inside.

Why do people don't do more tricks? they don't have the power. If I don't have power, I cannot land ANYTHING.
So, power is key to advance. and specially for us older guys who want to have fun and not get injured, like riding a 7 in 40 knots kitelooping. This is for the young and fearless, not for us. And the old guys have the money to buy big expensive kites...look at Flysurfers and their price and who is riding them.

A foil killer LE kite is a market untouched...and I am sure many foil riders would switch if there is a real alternative...all these bridles etc stuff, it's not for everyone.

I hope one day someone listens...who will it be?
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Re: 20m LEI Kites - Its Time

Postby Baptiste_FR » Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:39 pm

I don't know if some brand will produce this type of kite, the potential market seems very narrow.
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Re: 20m LEI Kites - Its Time

Postby DefyInertia » Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:08 pm

All I know is that the OP is hilarious. Thanks for the entertaining post

I love old school boosting on my 15m breeze in high teens to 20 knots at 92+ kg. People always look at me like I’m crazy when I’m putting it up…never had an issue, it depowers nicely. Moves like a jumbo jet but super lofty and for sure a session saver.

Once it drops to mid teens I’m working it hard just to stay up wind and can’t jump much.

Definitely interested in a higher performance 16+ meter kite
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Re: 20m LEI Kites - Its Time

Postby Greenturtle » Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:14 pm

Boosting is a narrow market?

Are 10-12-15 knot conditions uncommon the world over?

Isn’t this the safest windspeeds to practice in and go for it?

Do 3m leis actually make more sense to produce than 20m?

Are so many more people hydrofoiling only, rather than twintipping in light wind, that producing 3m kites makes more sense than just one 20m? Not a single 20m at all? From any company? None?
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Re: 20m LEI Kites - Its Time

Postby Robsw6 » Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:22 pm

lol..... I used to have a 20 + 25m.... remember seeing a 30m !!!!

& still have a 19m Edge :thumb:

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Re: 20m LEI Kites - Its Time

Postby ham-er » Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:09 pm

Seems bizarre that there is nobody who makes these kites. With current safety systems, depower range and lighter materials I don't see a reason why any large company especially wouldn't have such kite on offer.
I'd love to try one, but only supersize kites available are like from last century...
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Re: 20m LEI Kites - Its Time

Postby DefyInertia » Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:16 pm

Well one factor is how dang expensive they are the bigger they get.

Additionally, a large chunk of the market is female and they tend to be lighter than males.


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