V dristributor and lines consumption: dutone kites with other bar

[alex85]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExIahNy9ies

interestign video that in the first part tall about a lot of topic we discussed (also RRD type of lines)

[POACHER]

I finally tried my Juice 15 Dlab with the high V distributor and then took it off in the same session. As much as I wanted the kite to work well without the V distributor, it flew like crap in the low V.

The kite seemed sluggish, more reaction to gusts and just felt off.

I love the simplicity of no extra crap dangling out on your lines. Two different times in Hatteras I had issues with drift launching and debris getting in the distributor. If you ever have to deploy, it also complicates the retrieval.

Love the kite, hate the high Y.... and inflate valve.... And the bag..... And the battons.

[FunOnTheWater]

High Y, in general gives a more pivotable around axis tighter and snappy turn, it reduces the steering input at the bar. Kind of power steering effect. Thats all in theory.

The effect in real life may differ per kite and be small and depend on kite size and Y splice hight/line length, but in general it should work on all kite. Basically the explanation is that, the Y splice point position moves out of center, depending on forces when steering the kite, so it will change virtually the angles between front lines and so the distances between left and right frontline, so it will create bit of additional twist in the Leading edge when steering, so the kite corner want to open up, grab the wind better at steering.

Myself I fly always Y splice on all my kites.

[mati]

High Y, in general gives a more pivotable around axis tighter and snappy turn, it reduces the steering input at the bar. Kind of power steering effect. Thats all in theory.

The effect in real life may differ per kite and be small and depend on kite size and Y splice hight/line length, but in general it should work on all kite. Basically the explanation is that, the Y splice point position moves out of center, depending on forces when steering the kite, so it will change virtually the angles between front lines and so the distances between left and right frontline, so it will create bit of additional twist in the Leading edge when steering, so the kite corner want to open up, grab the wind better at steering.

Myself I fly always Y splice on all my kites.

A bridle designed for High Y will work bad with a Low V bar and vice versa.
A different split point needs a different bridle geometry.

[FunOnTheWater]

In general all tube kite handle some LE twist, between left right, the diffence is not that much. (at least my experience), I have been playing around a lot with Tube bridles.
The right amount of twist in kite makes major difference.

For LOW V the AOA, point of lever, is more to front of kite.
For High Y the AOA, point of lever, will move slight backwards and differ between left and right.

Agreed bridlle design is super important for kite feel, there is ware more innovations possible for Tube kitebiddles.

[mati]

I finally tried my Juice 15 Dlab with the high V distributor and then took it off in the same session. As much as I wanted the kite to work well without the V distributor, it flew like crap in the low V.

The kite seemed sluggish, more reaction to gusts and just felt off.

I love the simplicity of no extra crap dangling out on your lines. Two different times in Hatteras I had issues with drift launching and debris getting in the distributor. If you ever have to deploy, it also complicates the retrieval.

Love the kite, hate the high Y.... and inflate valve.... And the bag..... And the battons.

If you hate the high Y, unfortunately the only option is to change the kite brand. I don't get the fixation of some brands with high Y, other than keep their customers captive of their gear.
-It makes self launching and self landing more difficult or impossible in some case scenarios.
-Light wind water relaunch sucks.
-In case of things tangled on the front lines, they can't be reached
-It can get tangled with slack on the lines after crashing the kite in the water.
-it's another thing that can get stuck when the safety release is pulled

[FunOnTheWater]

Another difference for kiteloops, high Y the steerlines will twist around cental line.
With low V, the steerline will wrap around center lines and tension them togheter. (maybe some more wear can occure ? not sure)


Personally i do not have much issues with latest sensor 3, but still it can be certainly improved, further optimised minimalised.
Beneffit load is nicely spread over both center lines, safety is under tension, there is half the load on the cleat, no loose safty bugees, true bar etc.

But i agree we need the cleanest Y splice system. (Most Y systems and adjustable splitters etc are all crap lines will hook up tangle)

[purdyd]

I finally tried my Juice 15 Dlab with the high V distributor and then took it off in the same session. As much as I wanted the kite to work well without the V distributor, it flew like crap in the low V.

The kite seemed sluggish, more reaction to gusts and just felt off.

I love the simplicity of no extra crap dangling out on your lines. Two different times in Hatteras I had issues with drift launching and debris getting in the distributor. If you ever have to deploy, it also complicates the retrieval.

Love the kite, hate the high Y.... and inflate valve.... And the bag..... And the battons.

If you hate the high Y, unfortunately the only option is to change the kite brand. I don't get the fixation of some brands with high Y, other than keep their customers captive of their gear.
-It makes self launching and self landing more difficult or impossible in some case scenarios.
-Light wind water relaunch sucks.
-In case of things tangled on the front lines, they can't be reached
-It can get tangled with slack on the lines after crashing the kite in the water.
-it's another thing that can get stuck when the safety release is pulled

While I’m not a fan of the high y

Most of what you said after the first statement is false or highly exaggerated.

[purdyd]

In general all tube kite handle some LE twist, between left right, the diffence is not that much. (at least my experience), I have been playing around a lot with Tube bridles.
The right amount of twist in kite makes major difference.

For LOW V the AOA, point of lever, is more to front of kite.
For High Y the AOA, point of lever, will move slight backwards and differ between left and right.

Agreed bridlle design is super important for kite feel, there is ware more innovations possible for Tube kitebiddles.

Kite twist is very important and is why they turn.

I don’t see why the lever point would change

And whether you use a high y or shorter lines the same thing occurs you have some increase in inward pull on the bridle, but since you have several bridle attachment points, some of which are very close to the middle of the kite, that difference probably doesn’t have a lot of impact.

Because in absolute terms, there is not a huge inward force vector.

If kites were hugely sensitive to this force, we would see big problems when people change kite line length.

[FunOnTheWater]

No thats not the point, you do not get it.

The center Y point moves in space, as the load on each front line is not the same during steering the kite. Thefore virtually 1 steering line becomes longer the other becomes shorter during steering. (more straith line, more angled line)
The high Y split, introduces same effect to some extend (but in way lessamounts), as the turn accelerator from Bruno.