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North Reach or Orbit

Postby THORO » Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:34 pm

Long story:

I weight 205lbs and currently I have 9/12 Cabrinha moto that are one year old and I'm happy with them but considering I’ve used them 120 days already I would like to change them soon while i can sell them in good conditions.

The 12 was my main kite until mid-summer then both because I started using the 9 more often instead of a well powered 12 and because I got a surfboard and a foilboard and so with the 9 I find myself having a windrange insanely good so now it’s 4 months since I pulled out the 12m from the bag.

So now my idea was buying the reach ‘24, i tested it half dozen of times in every measure from 8 to 12m and I really like it so I thought to just buy a 9m (isn’t the reach the only one kite for desert islands? :D ) but I’m starting to think about more specialised models instead: a monostrut kite like an 8m to use with the foil or the surfboard (with the 9m if the kite fly i can waterstart with the foil but if it hidenburgs while I ride…. Gotta swim to the board asap and if there is no more wind anymore i gotta swim to shore 🥶 ) and a 10 or 9 orbit to use in 22kn+ as pure TT kite because 1 I have weight and i kite more powered than lighterweights and so more struts should be better to boost and reason 2 is that the cabrinha starts to be exhausting to use when there are 28/30kn and the gusts kick, tugs at me a lot (lateral pull?) and in 30/35kn (talking about measured wind in beach) I really start struggling and I have a really hard time to not lose edge before jumping.


TLDR:

Hi, I'm really undecided which of the two to take, I'm looking for advice as I never had a five strut :jump:

-Pick a reach 9m to foil, use directional (no waves) and boost…. It’s really so comfy to know that every condition you have in your spot just that kite is ok and if you’re foiling and the wind picks up in the last 15/20’ of the day it’s amazing to just take the board on shore and end your session boosting in the sunset

-Pick an orbit 9 or 10 (got to test them in a decent day when I’m not too tired) to use with the TT with at least 22kn (when you get on your spot and you know you have to just bring the TT from the car) as five strut should be a better pick for heavyweight, to enjoy more the op days and to not suffer too much gusts and buy a monostrut kite to use with the directional or the foilboard
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Re: North Reach or Orbit

Postby universalflush » Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:56 pm

If the wind is pretty light, the Reach is clearly the better kite. If the wind is strong and gusty the Orbit is clearly the better kite. I prefer the 9m over the 10m. If you want 1 kite then get an Alula kite. They have the high end of the Orbit and a better low end then the reach.

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Re: North Reach or Orbit

Postby TheJoe » Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:50 am

The Reach is more versatile. I have 7,10,12 Reachs because our winds are lighter and less dense. I have 9m Orbit for windy days. I am 195 right now for my winter weight and the Orbit is underperforming for me in the mid 20s. I can make it work in the low 20s but it is not as fun.

Either way you cant go wrong with either kite.

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Re: North Reach or Orbit

Postby mati » Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:25 am

I use a 12 m reach for foiling and light Wind kiting and 9+7 orbits for boosting and loops.
If you are a beginner foiling, don't try to go with the smaller kite possible. Big kites are easier to learn takes and most of the tricks since they give you more lift and time to to do the maneuver. Also if you want to jump, landings are easier with a bigger kite.

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Re: North Reach or Orbit

Postby Blackened » Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:09 am

So your effective wind-range for the twintip is ~22-35kn?

You could technically cover that with a 10m Orbit, but 35kn is tapping out wind on that size at your weight. 22-28kn is typically where I fly the 10m. The Reach will give you better low end, but you'll probably need 25kn for it to be fun.

I pseudo just went through this exercise. Assuming you don't typically get many 30-35 days, I would probably go for the 9m Code Zero for foiling until 20ish, then get the 10m Orbit to cover the TT. If you get a reasonable amount of 30+ days, then get a 9m Reach to cover the sub-25kn a bit better.

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Re: North Reach or Orbit

Postby Wolf of Ainsdale » Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:39 am

Get the reach. Everyone I know has gone from an all rounder like the reach through specific kites like the orbit for boosting and eventually come back to an all rounder. Unless you are just into boosting as high as possible it's the reach. This will allow you to surf and foil with the one kite as you say. I have 7 9 12 reach and use them for foiling directional and jumping (although I'm not bothered about maximising height with a dedicated kite). Reach has a great low end for foiling although I have just invested in a ufo quiver for the drift in surf.

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Re: North Reach or Orbit

Postby THORO » Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:30 pm

mati wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:25 am
I use a 12 m reach for foiling and light Wind kiting and 9+7 orbits for boosting and loops.
If you are a beginner foiling, don't try to go with the smaller kite possible. Big kites are easier to learn takes and most of the tricks since they give you more lift and time to to do the maneuver. Also if you want to jump, landings are easier with a bigger kite.
I don’t understand why I should use a 12 as i really don’t like it: it get overpowered too easily and low end is the same as if the 9 don’t float in the air the 12 neither…. Maybe because a I use a 1200cm2 front wing.

Blackened wrote: So your effective wind-range for the twintip is ~22-35kn?

You could technically cover that with a 10m Orbit, but 35kn is tapping out wind on that size at your weight. 22-28kn is typically where I fly the 10m. The Reach will give you better low end, but you'll probably need 25kn for it to be fun.

I pseudo just went through this exercise. Assuming you don't typically get many 30-35 days, I would probably go for the 9m Code Zero for foiling until 20ish, then get the 10m Orbit to cover the TT. If you get a reasonable amount of 30+ days, then get a 9m Reach to cover the sub-25kn a bit better.
32/35kn measured are few days or early morning (we have more stronger days but these are very gusty so I don’t go out, it isn’t fun unless you use a surfboard and a 5m) the 90% days I use the tt now is from 20kn to whatever… usually I come to the spot and I see it’s a tt day or I go foilin’ and I bring the tt anyway… if I am too op with the foil usually I can have fun with the tt and jump at least some meter

9 code zero is a big kite for foiling… i would prefer a 7… these are more fun and as I couldn’t waterstart in too much low wind (probably around 10kn) I could get back to shore before it’s too late 😝

About the orbit instead: I think a 10 would be better but I usually love the nines (as everybody I think…) so I am waiting to test them… but maybe the orbit need too much more wind compared to the reach, a reach 9 woukd be perfect (tested it in low wind with 20m lines)
Wolf of Ainsdale wrote: Get the reach. Everyone I know has gone from an all rounder like the reach through specific kites like the orbit for boosting and eventually come back to an all rounder. Unless you are just into boosting as high as possible it's the reach. This will allow you to surf and foil with the one kite as you say. I have 7 9 12 reach and use them for foiling directional and jumping (although I'm not bothered about maximising height with a dedicated kite). Reach has a great low end for foiling although I have just invested in a ufo quiver for the drift in surf.
With the TT I am all about freeridin and boosting as high as I can and looping but boost higher it’snot the reason why I would pick the orbit instead of the reach, i would pick the orbit because every heavy rider that i would listen keep saying to just pick an orbit because there’s no comparison for our weight
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Re: North Reach or Orbit

Postby Blackened » Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:50 pm

THORO wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:30 pm
32/35kn measured are few days (we have more stronger days but these are very gusty so I don’t go out, it isn’t fun unless you use a surfboard and a 5m) the 90% days I use the tt now is from 20kn… usually I come to the spot and I see it’s a tt day or I go foilin’ and I bring the tt anyway… if I am too op with the foil usually I can have fun with the tt and jump at least some meter

9 code zero is a big kite for foiling… i would prefer a 7 or an 8… these are more fun and as I couldn’t waterstart in too much low wind (probably around 10kn) I could get back to shore before it’s too late 😝

About the orbit instead: I think a 10 would be better but I usually love the nines (as everybody I think…) so I am waiting to test them… but maybe the orbit need too much more wind compared to the reach.
Laugh, fair. I can't really comment on the single strut size as I'm just learning to foil.

Agreed, 9m is the best size. You're just going to struggle with a 9m Reach or Orbit at 20kn in that size and your weight. If you have a larger board size, you'd be fine. A mate of mine takes his 9m and a 145x45 in 20kn and swaps boards at 25kn. I wouldn't take this option if you kite in a choppy area.

Starting options look like:
1. Two kites: 7 or 8m single strut, 10m Orbit
2. One kite, one board: 9m Reach, bigger twin tip
3. Two kites: 9m Reach and 10m Orbit

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Re: North Reach or Orbit

Postby THORO » Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:24 am

I wouldn’t struggle at all with reach 9, already tested and I am sure about it because the reach pulls more than my actual kite so I think the wind to have fun with the reach could go 1/2 knots lower, I have a 138x41 tt and it’s fine no need to go bigger as I’ve already say I also enjoy directional and foil if I don’t have enough power to boost and have fun.

Option 1 and Option 2 are the option I’ve already given in the first message, and I don’t see any sense about buying an orbit and a reach imo… if I can use the 9 reach I can use the orbit 10 no?

Real question is: how much better is the orbit compared to the reach for the 90/100kg rider who focus boosting with the tt? If my weight was 70kg I would pick the reach as everyday kite but I weight almost 30kg more

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Re: North Reach or Orbit

Postby Blackened » Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:52 am

THORO wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:24 am
I wouldn’t struggle at all with reach 9, already tested and I am sure about it because the reach pulls more than my actual kite so I think the wind to have fun with the reach could go 1/2 knots lower, I have a 138x41 tt and it’s fine no need to go bigger as I’ve already say I also enjoy directional and foil if I don’t have enough power to boost and have fun.

Option 1 and Option 2 are the option I’ve already given in the first message, and I don’t see any sense about buying an orbit and a reach imo… if I can use the 9 reach I can use the orbit 10 no?

Real question is: how much better is the orbit compared to the reach for the 90/100kg rider who focus boosting with the tt? If my weight was 70kg I would pick the reach as everyday kite but I weight almost 30kg more
It's not quite the equivalent, no. Think of it as a half size difference. Reach is more like a 9.5 Orbit. It does fine in 30kn with someone your weight.


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