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Re: How to build a bar? Just the rod/pole item ~60cm. Anyone done it?

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:08 am
by downunder
Ha, ha,

why don't you tell this to him than? Horses for courses man, he well knows what he is doing, who are we to judge?

And, oh, btw, I appreciate the effort in building this bar ends, but I hope you ALL do realise that it's an eye "opener"? One hit into the eye with this, and man, you'll not know know what's worst, loosing the eye, or almost drowning after.

See, how easy we diminish someone else's sense of 'safety' :) But, it might perfectly work for you, forever and ever.

Good luck.

Re: How to build a bar? Just the rod/pole item ~60cm. Anyone done it?

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:34 am
by evan
downunder wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:08 am
Ha, ha,

why don't you tell this to him than? Horses for courses man, he well knows what he is doing, who are we to judge?

And, oh, btw, I appreciate the effort in building this bar ends, but I hope you ALL do realise that it's an eye "opener"? One hit into the eye with this, and man, you'll not know know what's worst, loosing the eye, or almost drowning after.

See, how easy we diminish someone else's sense of 'safety' :) But, it might perfectly work for you, forever and ever.

Good luck.
Good luck poking your eye out with a rubber band...

They look pointy, but they are made that thin because the flexible rubber bends better when it is as thin as possible. I will make a video soon to show how flexible they are!
For sure a lot safer than those solid pointy ends on all other carbon bars.

Re: How to build a bar? Just the rod/pole item ~60cm. Anyone done it?

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:11 am
by kite_hh
evan wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:34 am
They look pointy, but they are made that thin because the flexible rubber bends better when it is as thin as possible.
Did you make those yourself? If so, how about adding some kind of deferring to them? Like an L shape. So that the line cannot "trap" the hand on the bar when a more extreme steering is made. Maybe 5+ cm could be enough.

Similar to these bar ends: https://www.kauper-xt.com/bar?lang=en

By the way: I think the Kauper Pintxo bar (https://www.kauper-xt.com/bar?lang=en) looks like an awesome bar! He does offer the Wichard as an option, which I don't think is smart nor necessary, but the standard Pintxo bar comes with a very reasonable and perfectly working KISS QR and safety release.

I would really like some details on his trimming system. It sure looks great.

Re: How to build a bar? Just the rod/pole item ~60cm. Anyone done it?

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:45 am
by downunder
Kudos to Kauper Pintxo for pointing out so obvious simplicity of Wichard...I guess more and more we will see them, simply because sick any tired of marketing bs. Particularly since many of us are aging, not into unhooking or freestyle any more.


Btw, kite_hh, here you go, one of the solutions how to get rig of dangling part, isn't it. However, I do have my Wichard reversed, so it's a pull away, as it should be. Still waiting to see your demo KISS QR with one hand. How is that going?

evan, people thought the Ozone release is safe, didn't they? ;) It's not how soft something is, but how it manages to find the way into the eye :) As you see, I'm not the only one pointing the obvious...

But, you might be safe till the end of time.

Re: How to build a bar? Just the rod/pole item ~60cm. Anyone done it?

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:52 am
by longwhitecloud
my firned once lost his bar and lines back in the day before kiteshops and built one from purchases from a diy store!

Re: How to build a bar? Just the rod/pole item ~60cm. Anyone done it?

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:42 am
by evan
kite_hh wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:11 am
evan wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:34 am
They look pointy, but they are made that thin because the flexible rubber bends better when it is as thin as possible.
Did you make those yourself? If so, how about adding some kind of deferring to them? Like an L shape. So that the line cannot "trap" the hand on the bar when a more extreme steering is made. Maybe 5+ cm could be enough.

Similar to these bar ends: https://www.kauper-xt.com/bar?lang=en

By the way: I think the Kauper Pintxo bar (https://www.kauper-xt.com/bar?lang=en) looks like an awesome bar! He does offer the Wichard as an option, which I don't think is smart nor necessary, but the standard Pintxo bar comes with a very reasonable and perfectly working KISS QR and safety release.

I would really like some details on his trimming system. It sure looks great.
That is only the case when you put your hands all the way on the end of the bar while putting the bar at 90deg, not a normal riding pose. Even then the force in the leader line is nowhere near enough to make the pinch painful, at least with the race kites I use when testing it deliberately last session. But with normal riding and my hands in the center 50% of the bar, pinching my hands between the leaders and bar never occurred in all the years riding this setup so there is no need to make it more complicated than needed.

Re: How to build a bar? Just the rod/pole item ~60cm. Anyone done it?

Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:49 pm
by kite_hh
evan wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:42 am
That is only the case when you put your hands all the way on the end of the bar while putting the bar at 90deg, not a normal riding pose. Even then the force in the leader line is nowhere near enough to make the pinch painful, at least with the race kites I use when testing it deliberately last session. But with normal riding and my hands in the center 50% of the bar, pinching my hands between the leaders and bar never occurred in all the years riding this setup so there is no need to make it more complicated than needed.
Thanks for the feedback! Sounds convincing. I just wonder why most major brands include those deferrers. I figured it was to prevent any chance of getting trapped in an unusual situation. Is it "just" to make the winding of the lines easier?

Re: How to build a bar? Just the rod/pole item ~60cm. Anyone done it?

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:52 am
by Macster
ap888 wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:14 pm
^^agree the sand will go in between and inside that mechanism not as good for our purpose big drawback
Old post I know, but keep the wichard connected to your harness and not the bar when not flying and then you won't get sand in it...

Re: How to build a bar? Just the rod/pole item ~60cm. Anyone done it?

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:45 am
by airsail
I have found MTB handle bars a good option to build a bar from. Strong, cheap and the centre thickened section perfect for glueing in a nylon block.
I just haven’t worked out a good bar end yet, these are North ends, fit perfectly.

Re: How to build a bar? Just the rod/pole item ~60cm. Anyone done it?

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:33 am
by qba-epp11
This is bar made by my friend. Inspiration was Kauper Pintxo bar.

Work very well.
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Pulleys place
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Carbon pipe is only cover