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Kiter_from_Germany
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Re: Mach flott den Schrott: Good ideas for self made bars

Postby Kiter_from_Germany » Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:32 am

evan wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:03 am
Isn't it also better to have the line organizer fail instead of the power line? If the power line is still ok you can flagout without problems.
and again:

Normal use:
The wear of the flying line sitting in its seat is much less, when it sits in a dynema seat.
Metal (even a simple ring) causes much more abrasion to the flying line (sleeve). You kept that in mind?

Safety event:
The lockline (or organizer line) is not under special Load during the event.
The flying line is under load during safety event - which is a good thing, cause slipping is easy for the lockline.
The lockline is just pulled by the snipping barsystem and is "hold" just by the resistance of the slipping itself (with is almost nothing):
There is nothing to put a special load on the lockline, it can freely move outwards.

So the test of Herman is interesting (must be good, even Bear Grylls uses this trick :naughty: ), but fortunately it isn't comparable to what we are talking about, in this setup.

Ok, time will show. I'll report my longtime experiences.

Interestingly I have some, already: I used a safety, made of a small nut, kept by a steel chain element, wounded by a thin dynema line, to protect the flying in its seat.
Restult:
No abrasion on the dynema/dynema seat, but some on the dynema/metal (inner) side of the 'lock apparatus'. Still worked for a season for me, until the metal part cut the little wound lines from the inner side.

You'll find that apparatus here (which I don't recommend any more, cause the actual is waaaay better):

viewtopic.php?t=2391108&p=942087#p942087
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Kiter_from_Germany
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Re: Mach flott den Schrott: Good ideas for self made bars

Postby Kiter_from_Germany » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:47 pm

Referencing this post, as a marker for a (very) good idea:

viewtopic.php?f=107&t=2406356&p=1099276#p1099276

Just one remark for remembering: Instead of gluing a low friction ring to the carbon, I would like to drill a little hole into the carbon and bolt a ring.
Result would be that you can steer it up to 90Degrees, without squeezing the depower line (cause Ring can turn)

Harsh maneuvers will be possible together with powering/depowering action.

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Re: Mach flott den Schrott: Good ideas for self made bars

Postby Tomlutz » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:16 am

Kiter_from_Germany wrote:
Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:47 pm
Just one remark for remembering: Instead of gluing a low friction ring to the carbon, I would like to drill a little hole into the carbon and bolt a ring.
Result would be that you can steer it up to 90Degrees, without squeezing the depower line (cause Ring can turn)

Harsh maneuvers will be possible together with powering/depowering action.
I did that on one of my bars, and it works.

viewtopic.php?f=107&t=2402127&start=80

I use it for my biggest foilkite for that I need to give maximum steering impulse. - Tom
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Re: Mach flott den Schrott: Good ideas for self made bars

Postby peppedurso » Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:21 am

Kiter_from_Germany wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:11 pm
Toby wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:11 pm
Where did you get the grip from ?
Bycycle foam grips (20mm)
Working for a year now, without tear.
Double sided tape, wetted with nitro let's slip it into position. This gets now a little loose, but still working.
The line handlers of North bars 2010-2012 are fixed with 10mm cap 4mm hole rivet, Alu is good, VA also.
Hi Kiter_from_Germany,
Can you please send a link for the foam? I’m not finding anything online!
Thank you in advance!

Kiter_from_Germany
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Style: intermediate Twin, Beginner Foil
Gear: Tubes: North rebel 6m, 8m, 11m, 14m, ozone catalyst 8, 10,14, edge 13m and others
Foil: pansh A15 9m, 12m, 18m
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Re: Mach flott den Schrott: Good ideas for self made bars

Postby Kiter_from_Germany » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:10 pm

peppedurso wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:21 am
Kiter_from_Germany wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:11 pm
Toby wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:11 pm
Where did you get the grip from ?
Bycycle foam grips (20mm)
Working for a year now, without tear.
Double sided tape, wetted with nitro let's slip it into position. This gets now a little loose, but still working.
The line handlers of North bars 2010-2012 are fixed with 10mm cap 4mm hole rivet, Alu is good, VA also.
Hi Kiter_from_Germany,
Can you please send a link for the foam? I’m not finding anything online!
Thank you in advance!
actual ebay:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/292572474093

it names:
Soft Handle Bar Grip

Here a pic:
Screenshot_20200923_170717_com.ebay.mobile.jpg

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Re: Mach flott den Schrott: Good ideas for self made bars

Postby peppedurso » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:29 pm

Kiter_from_Germany wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:10 pm
peppedurso wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:21 am
Kiter_from_Germany wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:11 pm


Bycycle foam grips (20mm)
Working for a year now, without tear.
Double sided tape, wetted with nitro let's slip it into position. This gets now a little loose, but still working.
The line handlers of North bars 2010-2012 are fixed with 10mm cap 4mm hole rivet, Alu is good, VA also.
Hi Kiter_from_Germany,
Can you please send a link for the foam? I’m not finding anything online!
Thank you in advance!
actual ebay:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/292572474093

it names:
Soft Handle Bar Grip

Here a pic:
Screenshot_20200923_170717_com.ebay.mobile.jpg
Amazing, thanks!


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