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How to change high Y-Bar to Low-V bar??

Postby 1234567Simon » Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:42 am

Dear all,

I have got a spare Bar with a high Y.
I would like to modify this one to a low V bar...

Right now the front lines look like this

Yes... my 5 year old daughter is drawing better....

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The safety is attached like this:
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In my oppinion I would just need one extra line (bright orange) to make a low V bar.....
but the more I think the more I get confused...
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How is the normal way to set up a normal low V bar with the saftety line?

Thanks a lot!
BR Simon
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Re: How to change high Y-Bar to Low-V bar??

Postby Herman » Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:12 pm

I think a flag line attached to the bottom of a single front line is more common. Problem to solve with this is the need to have a calibrated stopper system which takes the tension but still allows it too pass through the flagging line tunnel in the chickenloop etc. Usually two spliced loops in a handshake knot and some sort of stopper, take a look at an Ozone bar they use a stopper ball and trim bracket.

Your extra safety line will enable you to avoid the stopper system and is the system on my flysurfer bar but some might argue that the former is a little neater. The extra safety has to be connected high enough for a full flag but the stopper system has the full flying line length for the flag - some use a stopper to prevent the bar reaching the kite, personally I don’t.
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Re: How to change high Y-Bar to Low-V bar??

Postby edt » Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:17 pm

I usually run new lines when I make a new bar. Just converted a iron heart high y 5 line bar to a low V 4 line. Put in four new lines new elastic safety line new chicken line (old one worked but was worn) kept the quick release put in a new V (non spinning) as that qr has a below the bar qr.

Go for it and MOST OF ALL practice your new bar on a light wind day first. It's pretty easy to make a dumb mistake and the kite won't flag.

Typically when you convert from high y you end up replacing a lot of the old stuff because why not

It's possible all you need is replace that metal ring near the bar with a spinner or maybe buy that ozone L part and make that one spliced line in orange but you're missing you'll also need to make or buy the safety line that goes from the V to the chicken loop (usually elastic but doesn't have to be)

Yours looks like that slingshot high y to me
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Re: How to change high Y-Bar to Low-V bar??

Postby evan » Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:35 am

Running a separate flagout line is the easiest way, most chickenloops are not suited for a low-v with short flagout line as the tolerance between the handshake loop-loop connection is very tight between not fitting through the chickenloop or being so small it can be pulled through the stopper.

With a separate flagout line make sure it attaches at least 6m up from the bar. Also better to change both lower front lines if you want to stay the lines as equal as possible over time.
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Re: How to change high Y-Bar to Low-V bar??

Postby edt » Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:14 am

I think he has the old sling shot bar (or equivalent) which is a high y center line safety where the metal rings attach 10m up the kite so he won't have to run new lines just splice that orange part which should be 10m long and make a new short safety line.
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Re: How to change high Y-Bar to Low-V bar??

Postby 1234567Simon » Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:34 pm

Thanks a lot
It is the Gaastra X5 bar…
Right now the Y Split is at 6,80. meter (incl approx 80cm depower / adjuster) actually I even have got two of those bars as spare 🤦‍♂️….

I guess I just have to order some 20m line and give it a try ….
But yes!!! Good thougt to replace both two lines below the split point….

How would that work with a new SHORT SAFETY LINE?
Could some one please explain ….

I really have to spend some time and look at other bars….. usually I just arrive, gear up really fast, ride until I can’t move… and go back home 🤷‍♂️

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Re: How to change high Y-Bar to Low-V bar??

Postby edt » Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:18 pm

6.8 meters will be enough if your kites aren't too big. It has to be longer than the width from wingtip to wingtip of the largest kite you will use with that control bar. make sure you test it on a light wind day.
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Re: How to change high Y-Bar to Low-V bar??

Postby nixmatters » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:37 pm

As mentioned already, check first if the loop to loop connection between the front line and lower safety line passes smoothly through the QR. If it does, get a low-V splitter (power bracket). 2 examples shown in the photo below.

If it doesn't, you need a few meters long safety line attached to one of the front lines (similar to your 5line setup).
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