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Re: Kite for airstyle

Postby Toby » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:04 am

You mean riding powered, not overpowered.

Overpowered is when you don't have control anymore
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Re: Kite for airstyle

Postby downunder » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:21 am

Apollo is a bastard to relaunch in anything bigger than 11m. Including Edge or any high aspect kite. There is no bigger frustration than spending heaps of time to relaunch the kite. To learn rotations, one will crash more than ever.

Also, who do we kidding? There is absolutely NO airstyle in any wind stronger than 20-25kn. Even on 25kn that would be pushing it. Sure, occasional board off in 25kn, but that's it. So, advising someone to buy 7m kite for airstyle is, well, suicidal. Sorry.

Let's not forget, the >90kg rider requires ultra fat LE, and Edge, Apollo, Turbine(?) LE will bend under that load. It is no brainer that many heavy weight airstylers will opt for loaded 5th line. LOADED! Rebel is (was) a good choice.

Also, I am all for pumping the kite as pre sesh warm up. There is definitely a correlation between no warming up and injuries, even simple muscule sprain. That's something the foil riders constantly forgetting to mention or even ignoring. Good luck to them, I'm 50yo and injuries are no fun.

12m Soul is painfully slow comparing to 11m Edge. And here is the main obstacle, Soul WILL take you 2x longer distance than the Edge, which can be extremely dangerous on dead on shore wind.

That is more dangerous than being well powered in my books. You need just *right* kite for the job.

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Re: Kite for airstyle

Postby BlameTheWind » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:33 am

Anyone tried PL Nova, how is it? Could get fresh one 12m for about 600 euros.

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Re: Kite for airstyle

Postby downunder » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:18 pm

Im 60kg, and riding only 11m kites, including foils. Before that was riding only 13m kites.

And u are >90?! U need loaded 5th line. Or get Soul and hope for the best ;)

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Re: Kite for airstyle

Postby PabloQ » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:22 pm

Dear,
It has been said that soul is more expensive, if you take for example the cost of a Rebel 2020 with clickbar it is around 2100 dollars. How much more expensive is the soul? Come on!

As for the measure, I think soul 15 is significantly slower at the controls than 12m, but hey, I always say it depends on the rider. Maybe there is nothing left but to try it in a demo. Even so, in my case the progress was constant with the use and repetition. I love the soul 10m is a demon in the heights.

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Re: Kite for airstyle

Postby downunder » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:51 pm

Dear,


The height is not Airstyle ;)

Plus, the Click bar is at least AU$800, and Soul 15 is at least 3000.

Let us know how much will cost u to fix internal ribs when they blow...

And no, the kite response does not depend on the rider. Oh dear me...

And because 15m is slow, u cant get that insane height as on 8 or 10 on flat water and TT.

One can buy used Rebel no problem. Only cashed up people buy brand new kites. The thing with Airstyle is, as mentioned, to ride 100% of time ONE single kite. And that takes a toll on the kite. A big toll. If u do not do that, u wouldnt know.

Compare oranges with oranges man....

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Re: Kite for airstyle

Postby FLandOBX » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:21 pm

downunder wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:51 pm
The thing with Airstyle is, as mentioned, to ride 100% of time ONE single kite.
Most would disagree that Airstyle requires riding a single kite 100%. Only Toby does that.

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Re: Kite for airstyle

Postby Toby » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:40 pm

FLandOBX wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:21 pm
downunder wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:51 pm
The thing with Airstyle is, as mentioned, to ride 100% of time ONE single kite.
Most would disagree that Airstyle requires riding a single kite 100%. Only Toby does that.
yeah, no need for just one kite...but you will see you advance way more if you just use one kite...since the feel is always the same...so you can concentrate on the tricks, not the kite.

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Re: Kite for airstyle

Postby grigorib » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:46 pm

downunder wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:51 pm
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Let us know how much will cost u to fix internal ribs when they blow...
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$30 for every half an hour of work of very qualified foil repairman plus shipping charges. Actually very reasonable when I blew mine and needed it.

Foil kites would do for airstyle I think but I’d rather pick a HA LEI myself too

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Re: Kite for airstyle

Postby prop_joe » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:54 pm

downunder wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:21 am

Also, I am all for pumping the kite as pre sesh warm up. There is definitely a correlation between no warming up and injuries, even simple muscule sprain. That's something the foil riders constantly forgetting to mention or even ignoring. Good luck to them, I'm 50yo and injuries are no fun.
Never seen anyone trying to use pumping as a selling point before lol. I agree to an extent about warm up but your delusional if you think pumping your kite is helping or preventing you from injury, other than getting the blood flowing on a cold day it's just an annoyance.


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