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bar size

Postby Meindert de Boer » Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:41 pm

Hi All,

Question; is their also a no go area regarding bar sizes for air style?
I know the slower the better is mostly provided by Toby.

But is there also a bottom size, or kind lowest steer-input of the bar (not go lower than this, for example)?
Like the foil kites (Flysurfer) are mostly also using big bars (as the foils are slow already) but if using even a smaller bar, those kites should be even better for Airstyle........ yes or.... no? :?:

At this moment I ride a 17 mtr Ozone Zephyr V6 (max a 25knots) and a Ozone Edge 13 mtr V10 (25 - 30 knots) all with a 55 cm width bar size (incl. micro hook, see also other topic) with 30 mtr line lengths.
However; I am thinking of buying a smaller bar, as it will help me landing the triple plus board-off tricks. :cheers:

Doubt between the 50 cm and 45 cm bar width or maybe even by the wake style version of 38 cm width bar.

I am around 75 kg and board size is 131 x 40 Torque V2

My feeling is the 45 cm is the best deal? Any other opinions or advices?
Looking forward for your responses.

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Re: bar size

Postby Havre » Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:04 pm

I use a 50cm 25m lines on my 17m Zephyr. I think that is %#%#%"# slow.

I would wonder if 45cm would be so small it would be difficult to control the kite? I might be completely off there as I have tried it, but sounds difficult.

I think my 12m Enduro is slow with the same setup. Not sure for airstyle - where you obviously wouldn't use the Enduro anyway. 13m Edge with 50cm sounds pretty "non-twitchy" to me.

Others would know better than me though - as I am hardly a Toby in terms of jumping ability.

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Re: bar size

Postby Windigo1 » Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:15 pm

I would not go smaller than 50cm that's already very small for a 17m it's nice to slow down the kite when you are in the air but in ligth wind you need to work that kite to get the most of it and a bigger bar helps. Maybe when very powered it would work but personally the lack of responsiveness would be too much of a trade-off.

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Re: bar size

Postby evan » Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:41 pm

I doubt you can go too small, depends if you want tight loops without grabbing the leader lines or not.

In the early days i did ride with a 45cm on an 18m naish X4 without issues and those were a lot more sluggish compared to modern big kites.


See it like this: With your hands in the center, a wider bar will need more force to steer with less movement.
So unless you have a kite with extremely low bar pressure a shorter bar will give you more control and feeling with the kite (bigger input needed to steer) at the cost of being able to do a pivot-loop with your hands in the center on the bigger sizes. But tight loops are not really needed in airstyle so there are no big downsides on going for a small bar.


Same with racing: You have way more feeling with your 21/23m in tacks/gybes with a 55cm bar compared to a 65 or 70cm bar. But because we use 12m lines we can't use a shorter bar otherwise a loop will become impossible. A problem you won't have on 30m lines ;)

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Re: bar size

Postby TheJoe » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:18 am

I tried using my wakestyle bar with my 17m Turbine but it was a little too small. The bar was 14" but 17" was fine. It was just too hard keep the kite from falling in the water. Now I was doing wakestyle tricks but I was constantly having to reach and pull the leaders to steer the kite.

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Re: bar size

Postby runner1 » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:36 am

I use a 40cm (16") bar on a 2014 Zephyr and that works fine

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Re: bar size

Postby Meindert de Boer » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:09 pm

runner1 wrote: Post by runner1 » Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:36 am

I use a 40cm (16") bar on a 2014 Zephyr and that works fine

What style and level have you Runner1? just for comparising.

Do you easilly loop the kite after a slide or barefoot?

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Re: bar size

Postby rw30 » Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:09 am

I don't have much to add to this, but.....13M kite with 75kgs in 25-30 knots????? is there a typo anywhere here (well, probably not based on rest of the gear / data you presented)? or anything else I do not understand? : )

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Re: bar size

Postby runner1 » Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:03 am

Meindert de Boer wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:09 pm
runner1 wrote: Post by runner1 » Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:36 am

I use a 40cm (16") bar on a 2014 Zephyr and that works fine

What style and level have you Runner1? just for comparising.

Do you easilly loop the kite after a slide or barefoot?
Mainly unhooking, but have done hand drags and dark slides (both with loops) with this setup
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Re: bar size

Postby Meindert de Boer » Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:45 am

Thanks Runner1, if that works with a 40 cm (not know how long your lines are) than a 45 cm with 30 mtr line lengths should also possible.
I will try to borrow a bar from a dealer and try it with my extensions.
I suppose your unhooking style is the main reason for riding the 40 cm bar?

rw30 wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:09 am
I don't have much to add to this, but.....13M kite with 75kgs in 25-30 knots????? is there a typo anywhere here (well, probably not based on rest of the gear / data you presented)? or anything else I do not understand? : )
no typo, rw30. when around the 22-25 knots it is max. for me at this moment. but I practice to harvest this power with the 17mtr, still learning. But Toby can hold his 18 mtr. Up-to 28 knots, so still much to learn from my side :jump:
After some advices from Toby, and his video 666, he convinced me to ride overpowered for airstyle. And because of that I progressed allot. It is completely different riding very overpowered, took me more than a year just focused on that.

Hereby special thanks to all who provide inspired video’s and tips for Airstyle tricks, special thanks to Toby Braeuer, Tom Herbert, Dimitri Maramenides and Lukas Vogeltanz, and others I forget.

Here some pictures of last spring, I just received them from a friend, thought to share with you guys (and ladies :wink: )
Could not done this, without the support and inspiration mentioned above.

thanks for the replies and tips. :thumb:
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