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Re: Ultra short lines or wing...?

Postby longwhitecloud » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:08 am

lol i remember years ago making up a set of 9m lines and going kiting on a twintip in 30+, it was a non stop bombardment of "what are you doing" "that is never going to work" on the beach- i was like... "move along please"

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Re: Ultra short lines or wing...?

Postby PrfctChaos » Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:00 pm

kitenight11 wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:42 am
Did you use also kind of sup board or traditional kitefoil board?

PrfctChaos wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:58 am
I tested 15m and 12m lines back-to-back on 4m peak4. Big difference between the two, much prefer the 15m length.

Had to work hard to get up on the board with the 12m lines, but plenty of power when up and riding. Much easier to get up on the 15m lines and same power when riding.
Small kitefoilboard, so possibly not relevant to this thread. If the intention is to use a sup...

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Re: Ultra short lines or wing...?

Postby kitenight11 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:31 am

Right, the idea was to use this with kind of sup in the 100L range for 80Kg guy. Nobody except Gunnar tried this?

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Re: Ultra short lines or wing...?

Postby ronnie » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:10 pm

kitenight11 wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:31 am
Right, the idea was to use this with kind of sup in the 100L range for 80Kg guy. Nobody except Gunnar tried this?
As per the videos on Page 1 - Gurval Lego has.

https://projet-dared.com/author/gurval/

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Re: Ultra short lines or wing...?

Postby Gurval » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:58 pm

HI my name is gurval. Thanks ronnie for posting the adress of my website.
I work since years on ultra short lines, i rode with a Hydra Genetrix with 2m lines and now Naish Ride 10m with 2m lines too.



And i customised an single skin kite

Actually i'm working on hybrid wings and a new concept witch is something between kite and wing.

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Re: Ultra short lines or wing...?

Postby kitenight11 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:57 pm

Hi Gurval ,

very interesting and innovative. Did you try the single Skin Version with sup-foil? That's what would interest me the most. Maybe it is easier to navigate than a 12m tube kite?

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Re: Ultra short lines or wing...?

Postby Gurval » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:16 pm

Yes, it's very fun and you can pack it in a very small backpack. Now i use it with a minimal version of my keystone bar. Simple and easy.

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Re: Ultra short lines or wing...?

Postby kitenight11 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:22 pm

What is a keystone bar?

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Re: Ultra short lines or wing...?

Postby Horst Sergio » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:33 pm

kitenight11 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:22 pm
What is a keystone bar?
It is an advanced verison of the parawing bar, which just works with extremly short or better no lines. The kite turns always to the position of the bar and stays there static. Pulling left or right side of the bar is power/depower.
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http://www.parawing-beringer.de/

@kitenight11:
Nice work, I have also seen your monofoil, would be interesting if you write something about it into the other topic, for example if it is stable enough for sit foiling, etc., Thank You.
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Re: Ultra short lines or wing...?

Postby Gurval » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:49 pm

Yes it's the same system than paraskiflex bar.
http://www.paraskiflex.com/
The advantage of keystone bar is to control independently the 4 lines, i can turn the kite without action on the back lines witch is good for light wind and power. It's an adaptation of "la cage" for paragliders, a concept developed by Jean-Louis DARLET in 1990.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cage_de_pilotage


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