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Re: Foil beginners, Never-Ever do this.......

Postby lieutenantglorp » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:34 pm

Don Lester wrote:You can prevent injuries even if you fall with BOTH feet connected to the board. You won't rotate, the board will stay a comfortable distance away from you.
I guess you have not yet ran aground or hit an object in the water at speed. You will definitely fly forward with the kite in the direction you were going, and the submerged foil will definitely resist you from doing so. Sometimes you will be rotated. It depends on where the kite is in relation to your point of sail. I hope both your feet always come out easily and simultaneously :-(
Don Lester wrote: Two legs are way stronger than one at withstanding load.
True but ankles and knees are typically very weak in twisting (torque).
Don Lester wrote: I mean can you imagine suggesting to a snowboarder to ride with just your front foot in the binding ?
I would never. Snowboard bindings were not designed to release your foot and there is no hydrofoil under the board.

Funny though that this is the first thing they teach you in a lesson as it is a required skill for using a chairlift :-)


Single front strap will always have risk, but for learning I still recommend it over 2 if you refuse strapless or dont have a foot hook.
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Re: Foil beginners, Never-Ever do this.......

Postby joyrider1 » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:45 pm

“ … dont tell me, show me…. “

Just like all the brilliant how-to tutorials from ketos, bra curu, gunnar, horue etc., a beginner also should be shown something like this:

[vimeo]http://vimeo.com/115341179[/vimeo]

It almost hurts just by looking at the video…..
Much respect to the guy that showed his not so good experience to the public.
BTW: The brand that the guy is riding on is pure coincidence….

Have fun an ride safe

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Re: Foil beginners, Never-Ever do this.......

Postby lieutenantglorp » Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:17 pm

joyrider1 wrote:“ … dont tell me, show me…. “

[vimeo]http://vimeo.com/115341179[/vimeo]

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Everyone I have ever seen on their first try with foil + straps looked like this. It still amazes me that people routinely learn this way. I wish someone was around to show me a video like this before i started. Fortunately I quickly realized I would learn much more safely strapless :-)
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Re: Foil beginners, Never-Ever do this.......

Postby revhed » Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:50 pm

Don Lester wrote: You can prevent injuries even if you fall with BOTH feet connected to the board.
Again I must strongly Disagree.
Are you saying that 3 well known brands (and probably ones I know not of) that have about 15 years+ of experience between them change thier advise because of your thoughts?
Sorry to be rude, but if this saves even one injury then it is worth my time.
Again,
My suggested list of safest to increasingly risky systems for LEARNING and maybe into the future for you and your KBHFs saftey.

strapless
Half cut NSI Klingon, Prediator or similar Front only foot hook, thanks to who suggested this.
Stock same as above
Half cut NSI Klingon front and back
Stock same as above
Front strap,s, only made worse if to loose or tight, and with booties?
Front and back straps
boots
Disagree with this list, no worries, please explain why?
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Re: Foil beginners, Never-Ever do this.......

Postby southbound » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:23 am

RH,
to me your your recommendation for strapless or cut off foot hooks make total sense for the safest options. I picked up a set of predator hooks a while back and am thinking that cutting them down for learning is the way to go. Do you or anyone out there have any experience using the predators and cutting them down. If so any pictures and experience would be appreciated.

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Re: Foil beginners, Never-Ever do this.......

Postby revhed » Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:20 am

southbound wrote: Do you or anyone out there have any experience using the predators and cutting them down.
I can be of no help as I did not even know about predadors until seeing them here.
Hopefully someone will chime in.
For me I used uncut NSI klingon front only for years, but half cut even better as you need so little horizontal overhang to get your toes under for H20 start and good front foot board placement.
It does look like one can cut a predator but maybe need to reinforce the top with something to make it stiffer?
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Re: Foil beginners, Never-Ever do this...

Postby Don Lester » Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:59 pm

How about this: I can't make it any simpler........

If a kite is creating 200lbs of force, would you rather try to resist that with one foot or two ?

This post was meant as a public service based on personal experience. Take from it what you like.....

I'm out............

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Re: Foil beginners, Never-Ever do this...

Postby revhed » Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:09 pm

Don Lester wrote: would you rather try to resist that with one foot or two ?
Why would anyone want to resist a crash?
The less resistance the better in fact, WHEN LEARNING!
last time as a public service,
My suggested list of safest to increasingly risky systems for LEARNING and maybe into the future for you and your KBHFs saftey,
strapless
Half cut NSI Klingon, Prediator or similar Front only foot hook, thanks to who suggested this.
Stock same as above
Half cut NSI Klingon front and back
Stock same as above
Front strap,s, only made worse if to loose or tight, and with booties?
Front and back straps
boots
Disagree with this list, no worries, please explain why?
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