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Flysurfer Boost – Race Tube Kite – Tested for Foilboarding

Postby lupociotto » Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:30 am

Hello,

I’m not connected to the Flysurfer company, but I like a lot of their products.
I’m a “test beggar” that always tries to beg for some cool new test equipment, cheap way to fly super kites for a time....
I’m an 48 years old kiteboarder from Austria. My weight is 96 kg.
Since last year I fully dropped into Foilboarding, I own a pretty top performance proto foil, intermediate rider, can go where I want in low to medium winds, no flying jibes jet.
I have a lot of experience in lightwind conditions, as my home spot is a lake in the alps with pretty reliable but light thermal winds. For some years with huge tube kites, then for some years I now owned Flysurfer foil kites like speed2 19, speed 3 19 and 21.
As I started foiling last year I found soon, that there is no need for these kites anymore with the foil. After some testing and reading I found the JN Mr. Fantastic II 16 m2 one strut to be the perfect hydrofoil lightwindkite form me: A lot of power, very lively, super easy lightwind relaunch, good depower.
With getting better with the foil, and all the hype among the very high performance foilkites like ozone chrono, elf joker and Flysurfer sonic I got a little bit curious about going for a more performance kite in the last few months.
For me it was clear that such a foilkite is not usable, as some of my favourite spots are quite huge lakes with very cold water and unsteady winds, no fun to have a relaunch problem from a tangle there.
So I tried some full race tubekites like Ozone Edge and Cabrinha Velocity: Liked them pretty much, but found the relaunch in really low wind is not good enough.
I tried different smaller sizes from Flysurfer Speed 3 and 4 but found that these kites are outperformed by the tube race kites.

Then Flysurfer came with the Boost – a full race tube kite that was said to have also perfect light wind water relaunch….
I had the chance to test the sizes 9-13-18 for some weeks, and for me now it is clear:
Yes, these kites are very good, and for the 18 I can say that it does not relaunch worse that my Mr. Fantastic.

9 m:
Hell of an airtime beast being fully powered with a non foilboard. I had 2 sessions like this, too much wind for Foilboarding for me, maybe 25 knots: never been flying around like this ever before.
But this is not what I wanted to write here, some other reviews about this can be found somewhere else.
The 9 m starts working at about 10 knots for me with the foil, and it feels perfect, lively, controllable up to about 20 knots on the foil. A better rider will fly it higher, for sure, the kite is not the problem for me on the top end, but the control of the foil.
I really was surprised how early the 9 m kite was working. It is definitely a very good bottom end for a 9 m kite, the power comes from being very fast, lively and the high AR.
Believe it or not I can switch from the 18 m directly tot he 9 m.
What I did not test (damm cold water) is the relaunch oft he 9 m in marginal winds around 10 knots.
Anyway, according other testers, the 9m does reverse start also.

13m:
Not any worse than the 9 m. For me the 13 works from about 7-8 knots to ??? (still don’t know). What I did not test (damm cold water) is the relaunch oft he 13 m in marginal winds around 8 knots. At about 10 knots no problem.
Damm nice and powerful kite, very good upwind ability, very good depower, very lively.

18m:
- marginal conditions:
First I tested the wind only in real low winds, just enough to keep the kite in the air with a lot moving it. Maybe 4-6 knots I don’t know. Anyway I know these conditons pretty well: Possible to foilboard with a (15?) 18 or 21 m Flysurfer Speed 3 Foilkite, possible to foilboard with my 16 Mr Fanatastic, but none of these kites will really lelaunch at 5 knots according to my experiences.
The trick in these conditions is not to drop it.
As I was alone at the spot, I launched the 18 on land with reverse start – taking the flying lines and making some fast steps backwards. I tried this several times: The kite does it perfectly.
Then on the water it was a blast: I would say that the simple pull of the kite doing some sinus curves is somewhere between a 18 and 21 Speed 3, but the kite is much more lively, and the power was more than enough for Foilboarding, even in this ultra light winds. I even hat to use the adjuster to not get pulled off the board. Very strange experience: Kite nearly falling, then when speed increases so much power.
My conclusion was, that the 18 is too huge for me for the foilboard. Next thing I will do is getting a 15 to test it. According to Flysurfer, the relaunch of the 15 will be the same as the 18.
-more wind:
To make my testing complete, I tried the kite at 10 to 15 knots with a twintip. The kite worked perfect, but I’m not into this kind of kiteboarding anymore to long, I can’t really say something.
Anyway, at 10 Knots the normal Kite relaunch on the side of the wind window is working perfect, and also the reverse start was easy. I have no doubts that the reverse start will work down to about 7-8 knots, just the same like the other good lightwind tubes on the market.

What I didn’t like:
--I’m not satisfied with Flysurfer line lengths:
9m ... 21m ... . working, but 27 m are better in my opinion
13m ... 21 m .... way too short in my opinion, take 27 m
18m... 27m.....working, but 30 or more me would be better
The kites are so narrow / high AR, the turn very good, but they need a wind window !
Don’t castrate these nice kites by to short lines.
-- I don’t like bars with strap adjuster. I like “spartan” bars with long adjuster + depower range.

What comes next:
I have to give back the kites :-(
They promised to me that I will get a test kite of the 15 :-) :-) :-)
f the 15 works like I think, maybe I will buy one....

For all the other comanies I suggest improve the light wind relaunch ability of
your huge race kites....to keep the competition go on...

Regards
Wolfgang

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Re: Flysurfer Boost – Race Tube Kite – Tested for Foilboardi

Postby Johhnn » Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:40 pm

Hi Wolfgang. I'm in about the same age/ability range as you. Just converted to the foilboard at the beginning of last year. It's great to read your comments on the new Boost kites. Thank you for posting them. I look forward to trying the Boost sometime. For now, mostly, I use the Speed 4 kites with my foilboard. They seem to hang in the air better than tube kites when the wind is really light.

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Re: Flysurfer Boost – Race Tube Kite – Tested for Foilboardi

Postby lupociotto » Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:56 pm

Dear John,

first ist I actually don't have Speeds 3/4 anymore.
So I would have to buy them.
No, wrong, I just sell a Speed 3 in 12.
This is a very nice kite, but for me just too small.
I have my own wainman range 5-7-9-12, and the 9 and 12 are perfect
to foilboard with it, just not below 12 knots.
I think Speeds 3/4 sizes 15 or 18 would be interesting, but they are not
cheap, and with my huge lakes I think for me the Boosts are better.

No bad word from me about the Speeds. I love these Kites, especailliy on snow.

Best regards

Wolfgang

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Re: Flysurfer Boost – Race Tube Kite – Tested for Foilboardi

Postby borist » Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:00 am

Wolfgang, is Neusiedler See good for foiling? How is the depth, obstacles?

Thanks
Boris

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Re: Flysurfer Boost – Race Tube Kite – Tested for Foilboardi

Postby lupociotto » Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:27 am

borist wrote: Neusiedler See for foiling?
Deep enough. There are different spots:
Podersdorf on the east side for winds from south - west - northwest - north is the
most popular spot and also where right now there is a worldcup for kiteboarding and windsurfing.
The water gets deeper very slowly, you have to walk out at least 200 m,
a pain in the ass at onshore winds...and it is the spot where the crowd is,
200 kites in the air nothing special.
I don't like the spot because it is there where you always scratch your foil wings. But far enough away form the beach it is also deep enough there, maybe brest deep.

Neusiedl on the north tip of the lake is where I get to the water sometimes, but this spot
is restrictet to about 80 kiters with a season ticket - I am one of the lucky guys.
Water deeper there, shoulder deep.
Working best for south winds, other wind directions are difficult but managable.

There is a 3rd semi secret spot on the east side of the lake with deep water like Neusiedl,
mostly for south winds.

Note: The shallow water makes the foiling feel a little bit bumpy, the waves
do reach the bottom of the lake, and there is always a turbulent feeling on your feet.
have to get used to it. There some great lightwind foiling videos in the net, not from me:
https://vimeo.com/65566681
https://vimeo.com/67022851
https://vimeo.com/71702100

Wolfgang

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Re: Flysurfer Boost – Race Tube Kite – Tested for Foilboardi

Postby borist » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:23 pm

Thanks Wolfgang.

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Flysurfer Boost – Race Tube Kite – Tested for Foilboarding 1

Postby lupociotto » Sun May 10, 2015 6:02 am

now I have my own boost:

I just received the 15 m:
I had my first session with 27 m lines - this works fine, but I think I will take 30 or 32 m in the future.
The kite's AR is 6 this means it has a pretty wide wing span.
Foilers like long lines, we know.

Overall the decision to take the 15 m seems right for me - 95 kg - as lagest foil kite.
In the beginning there were 20 minutes where I could fully see the low wind performance
of the kite, really amazing and feeling perfect. This is the kite I want to foil with in really
light wind maybe starting from 5, 6 knots and upto maybe 12 knots.
For a 15 m race kite it is turning extremly fast, upwind ability, power and depower work very
well also on this size.

The session then changed to top range of the kite, but the depower is so effective that
I was at least to manage to foil with it at +/- 15 knots.
My abilities are not yet good enough to really foil powered up.
Just to see what happens I took the twin tip board for half an hour - and it was a blast ..boost.
Real jumping machine.

The session ended with 2 hours of well powered riding with my 9 m wave kite.

For my own I think maybe I will buy a 11 m boost as smaller foilboard kite.

Wolfgang

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Flysurfer Boost – Race Tube Kite – 11 m

Postby lupociotto » Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:12 am

I now also have the 11.

It works incredible good for me with the foil, using 34 m lines the fun starts at about
8-9 Knots for me (96 kg).

Yesterday I had a really nice day going about 65 km in about 3 hours,
going upwind +/- 9 km. See GPS Track enclosed.

Thermal winds 9 - 15 knots the 11 was nearly too big a lot of the time, I'm totally brushed today...

The good thing is that the boost are really good fun to ride with all kind of other boards
when being overpowerd with the foil...then the flying around orgy can start.
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