Toeside roll tack?

[zdunigan]

I am dialed on a standard roll tack....going in heel side and coming out toeside. Kiteloop early and back behind you to pull you through the tack.

any one out there tried this going in toe side?

Been trying the toeside roll tack and not having a ton of luck. This would be a great skill as it would let me tack to my offside where I am stuck doing a down wind jibe.

imagine....going in to the tack toe side and coming out heelside, never changing up your stance. this would let you stay with you strong foot forward and tack....in both directions.

[Peter_Frank]

It seems a bit more difficult, but as Greg shows several times in the vid (and the first vid too just with touchdowns) it works !

Although, the term "roll tack" is wrong for both, as they are simply tacks without switching feet, as the word "roll" describes how you roll your body around on the board under the lines when switching feet.

Around 2:05 and forward you will see some tacks from toeside:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euQKcy8RFOM

I am impressed by the 360's he does going downwind instead of upwind - and each half of both type of 360s are similar to a tack without switching feet, so in a downwind 360 you actually do exactly what you ask for too in the last half of it

It all looks "ridiculously" easy ha haaa - we all know it is not, but an art to make it so fluid and easy looking

Hope you get it dialed, let us hear how it works out for you zdunigan ?

PF

PS: Regarding ones strong foot, I find it much better NOT to ride mostly on one side, as you will be lousy on the other side then.
Also, it seems your strong foot is different in hydrofoiling, as usually we use it as our rear foot on old boards, and to some extent in hydrofoiling too, but on foils when carving you can often turn better having your strong foot forward especially when learning turns, as it is the "leading foot" which is used to turn the foil, almost completely opposite to what we were used to

[Frank Rosin]

PS: Regarding ones strong foot, I find it much better NOT to ride mostly on one side, as you will be lousy on the other side then.
Also, it seems your strong foot is different in hydrofoiling, as usually we use it as our rear foot on old boards, and to some extent in hydrofoiling too, but on foils when carving you can often turn better having your strong foot forward especially when learning turns, as it is the "leading foot" which is used to turn the foil, almost completely opposite to what we were used to

Agree with the aim to train your weaker side/foot as much as possible, it will pay off making you a more complete rider and offering a lot of flexibility how to ride (in different conditions)
= potentially more fun

What you say about the opposite regarding the strong foot on hydrofoil compared to surfboard, I do not feel the same. Understand what you describe, just can not really relate to it with my own riding experience. Sounds interesting though.

Greg's downwind 360 is something to try, to work on!
It looks like it will be a 540 really. Kite high for the first 360 and then loop to ride out of it and complete the 540.
At 1:28 in video above.

Cheers,
frank
http://www.kite-hydrofoil.de/hydrofoil

[zdunigan]

My intention here is to learn a new transition...been stuck switching my feet and jibing for a long time now.

Peter are you able to ride toeside with both feet for ward? I think that is quite a skill that not many people have mastered. I have always been far less proficient trying to do anything technical with my right foot forward. That being said I am constantly riding right foot forward after the tack/jibe and stance switch. I use this to point as high as possible in both directions but that is about it with the right foot.

I would really like to be able to ride switch stance on a surfboard so that you never have to hit the lip back side...

Unreal what the BRM guy is doing in that video. He flies the kite one handed behind his head to do the toe side tack.

[Peter_Frank]

Ahem, well, yes, I am not very good really at tricks, compared to many, but toeside is equally well on both tacks for me yes

Maybe the windsurfing background is the reason for this.

But I dont think this it is a particularly rare skill, although some from surfing backgrounds are more fixed on one side only, yes

Eventhough when I surf, I am better regular indeed, but for windsurf and kitesurf both sides works.

Peter

[windmaker]

Although, the term "roll tack" is wrong for both, as they are simply tacks without switching feet, as the word "roll" describes how you roll your body around on the board under the lines when switching feet.


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In windsurfing we call it a duck tack.

[Peter_Frank]

Although, the term "roll tack" is wrong for both, as they are simply tacks without switching feet, as the word "roll" describes how you roll your body around on the board under the lines when switching feet.


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In windsurfing we call it a duck tack.

True, I also did that at first (on waveboards), till it got a more common name here - and actually I find rolltack more correct now, as in windsurfing we (usually, I dont know how others do) switch feet first, and then carve up for the tack while we duck under the sail.

In kitesurfing we switch feet simultaneously, as we roll around (behind the lines) while we tack.

Peter

[Frank Rosin]

Isn't a tack without switching feet, which is a tack without keep facing the kite, called a duck tack too?
While a tack with switching feet but without rolling isn't a duck tack?
These two options are both no roll tacks though.
However, it seems for kiting/foiling tack and roll tack seem to be the most used terms that are the easiest to understand too.
According to that I see three ways of doing a tack:
- Tack without switching feet (of course there are two ways to do this: regular to switch / switch to regular) - lines twist while doing the tack
- Tack with switching feet while keep facing the kite - lines do not twist while doing the tack
- Roll tack - lines twist while doing the tack

Cheers
Frank
http://www.kite-hydrofoil.de

[Peter_Frank]

You are right Frank, the tack where you dont switch feet could be called a "Duck Tack" yes (but not a roll tack).

So a toeside duck tack (toeside to normal) is what this thread is about

That could be a good way to determine for clarification, if a roll tack you roll your feet around in the tack, if a duck tack you duck under the lines but dont switch feet

PF

[davesails7]

You are right Frank, the tack where you dont switch feet could be called a "Duck Tack" yes (but not a roll tack).

I thought a duck tack was the tack when you keep your back to the wind and kick the nose of the board through the wind? (Mostly done with board on the surface)