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Re: Monofoil or "riding stabless", setup and riding

Postby Peter_Frank » Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:55 pm

Wing dead on strut, I dont think will work well for most riders; i am very skeptical I must say.

Øyvind has a very special loose whipping style, like those riding skimboards aggressively.

Whereas for me, it would not work, as I love the "drive" from either the mast or the stabilizer, and in reality from both, as they give me the pleasant drive and turn.

Meaning, when I change down in stab size and more flat, I reach a point when small, where it does not feel as good when carving around like when driving a windsurf or a surfboard around in a bottom turn - it simply gets too loose for that great feel IMO.

Somewhat the same happens if the mast is too far forward it seems, both from friends building foils and from Øyvind now, the foil tends not to track pleasant when driven around in a carve, and even going straight it does not seem to track pleasant either.

Great if you want it extremely loose maybe, like Øyvind, but many of us will like it to be less loose and more "natural" (for us).

As said earlier, when riding stabless, the mast should in fact be positioned even further back than if having a stab, for same trim and dynamics balance.
Thus I doubt it will be pleasant putting it further forward instead of rearwards :roll:

What am I to say, havent tried the different setups myself (only stabless removing the stab), but I know for sure that I have a liking for "feeling the drive" in turns, instead of too skatey loose turns :rollgrin:

Denise, she is experimenting too with different wings and reflex, cool, and are you also testing mast position or further forward and furher rear?
A reflex wing has its center of effort a tad more forward than a "regular" wing, assume you know this as you are used to flying different wings on planes, but the difference is so small I dont think you can feel it - difference from stab to stabless is much bigger regarding how far you have to move your feet (or trim).

Good some are testing this, and last but not least, sharing with everyone in here :naughty:

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Re: Monofoil or "riding stabless", setup and riding

Postby ap888 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:49 am

Øyvind Looks like wing on mast is the future very nice :thumb:

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Re: Monofoil or "riding stabless", setup and riding

Postby Denisesewa » Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:20 am

The future for Oyvind maybe, for the rest of us probably not🤔

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Re: Monofoil or "riding stabless", setup and riding

Postby Horst Sergio » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:54 pm

ap888 wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:49 am
Øyvind Looks like wing on mast is the future very nice :thumb:
Maybe not so much in front, but I was very happy with the first test with the strut half way (8 cm) more forward. As shown here:
viewtopic.php?f=196&t=2402095&p=1049421#p1049421

But you also need to fit a board to such a close to the middle strut conection, will go on testing. I didn't expected this, but for me this configuration still felt pretty much normal, but more lively, so more as far much more positive about riding, not talking about the static benefit, which comes on top. But will also try smaller faster wings and more forward positions to see how it feels here.

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Re: Monofoil or "riding stabless", setup and riding

Postby fun2kite » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:45 pm

Future shape of a perfect stabless foil?

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Re: Monofoil or "riding stabless", setup and riding

Postby Horst Sergio » Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:49 pm

Last time I was 12 cm more forward than normal with the strut, so trailing edge of wing and strut on the same level, but for sure still not as far in front as Øyvind, but with the leading edge of the strut pretty much directly over the pressure point of the wing. Rest with straps was pretty much well balanced and felt well.

From the felling having the strut so much more forward I can't explain much better, apart from repeating: "It feels different" Lets say the Yaw is as its also logic more but in this position not yet only active steared than on a normal position where it is more guided. For me this setup felt still ok, but close to the boarder to something to much "different" so I think I will stay with this first, build a better stiffer conection and try to also test the smaller wing in this setup.

I think for a wing like the moses onda such a setup with an own build connector could be pretty interesting, so for those who have it and abillity and will to explore, give it a try, but also remember that you need a board with a far forward conectivity.

Another nice experience was, even if the board is pretty terrible for starts with smaller wings and much worse than the similar sized green one of page 15 (Setup on page 14 was nearly impossible to start) with the big wing if well balanced, board size and shape hasn't mattered and started in extremly low wind not to much powered.
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