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Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 11:10 am
by Foxi
I‘m in my second Foilseason now and had two sessions with my new Fluente (590). I understand that 633 provides more lift and stall speed is further reduced so that any manouver attempts could be practised at lower speeds. What I do no not understand so far: isn‘t it a con that kite sizes needed are smaller so that support through tacks is (significantly) lower than in a „regular combo“ ? What does 633 make so special compared to early planning foils like Cabrinha Double Agent or Naish Thrust which are more judged as beginner foils ?

Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 12:35 pm
by WH Lithuania
I tried a lot of foils and the uniqueness of the Onda 633 is that it combines easiness, lift, and maneuverability of surf wing with glide and performance of kite wing. This is my favorite wing. Do not try it only if you don't have spare cash to buy it :)

Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 4:12 pm
by TomW
It's 800 Euros! And dog with too many bones runs in circles....
Trying to convince myself to not get one.... :roll:

Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 4:23 pm
by oregonkiter
Going to mount a demo 633 on the short Dwarfcraft--3'6". Thinking the mast will need to all the way back and use the bolt hole options to pull it 2cm back from there.

Thoughts anyone? Nice to get it close to right this time of year. Water is cold and launch land a pain.

Thanks!

Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 7:56 pm
by Foil
As promised, more details using the 633 wave wing.
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Modified T60, now with tracks😎
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T60 with mast set for 633 wing
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Groove Skate set up using the same Moses kit and 633 wave wing
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Front footstraps distance from the centre of the front strap, this is exactly the same distance as on the Moses T60.
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The love of my life😉

Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 10:17 pm
by Pedro Marcos
oregonkiter wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 4:23 pm
Going to mount a demo 633 on the short Dwarfcraft--3'6". Thinking the mast will need to all the way back and use the bolt hole options to pull it 2cm back from there.

Thoughts anyone? Nice to get it close to right this time of year. Water is cold and launch land a pain.

Thanks!
All back

Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 8:50 am
by Foil
oregonkiter wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 4:23 pm
Going to mount a demo 633 on the short Dwarfcraft--3'6". Thinking the mast will need to all the way back and use the bolt hole options to pull it 2cm back from there.

Thoughts anyone? Nice to get it close to right this time of year. Water is cold and launch land a pain.

Thanks!
The dwarf craft will be similar to my Groove Skate as in the photo above on which I set the back edge of the mast at 15cm from the back of the board, with the middle of the front strap 83cm from the rear edge of the board, this felt perfect after 2 days of sailing in very light to fully powered conditions in waves and swell.

Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 6:04 pm
by grigorib
Pedro Marcos wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 10:17 pm
oregonkiter wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 4:23 pm
Going to mount a demo 633 on the short Dwarfcraft--3'6". Thinking the mast will need to all the way back and use the bolt hole options to pull it 2cm back from there.

Thoughts anyone? Nice to get it close to right this time of year. Water is cold and launch land a pain.

Thanks!
All back
I have the rear edge of the mast plate set at "4" on 42" Dwarfcraft with 633 wing. Pointed at "7.5" with 590 wing.
See pics for 590 position

Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 9:15 pm
by Peter_Frank
Foxi wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 11:10 am
I‘m in my second Foilseason now and had two sessions with my new Fluente (590). I understand that 633 provides more lift and stall speed is further reduced so that any manouver attempts could be practised at lower speeds. What I do no not understand so far: isn‘t it a con that kite sizes needed are smaller so that support through tacks is (significantly) lower than in a „regular combo“ ? What does 633 make so special compared to early planning foils like Cabrinha Double Agent or Naish Thrust which are more judged as beginner foils ?


Nobody really answered your question Foxi ?

It should have a thread of its own actually, as it is not "brand" specific :roll:

Anyways, your are somewhat correct, and then again not.

Using a bigger wing, means you can use a smaller kite yes.

Which is a huge advantage in maneuvers when carving and having fun in general, and in waves too, that you can turn a smaller kite much faster and turn in a tighter arc.

But yes, you dont have the same lift as with a bigger kite, for making transitions that is true.

BUT, you can use just as big a kite with a bigger wing, than with a smaller wing - to get the same benefits when practicing switching feet.
In fact, the bigger wing is slower, so even easier with a big kite to avoid getting too powered, as it wont "run away" like a smaller faster wing.

So a win win with the big wings, as you can use your bigger kite if you like, and still have a lot more room for "errors" as it wont stall if you are too slow in a move :naughty:

The downside of the bigger wings IMO, is they get horribly boring pretty fast - there IS a limit where the fun stops, when you dont have the glide and speed and feel of no drag, like the smaller/normal wings.
Some like riding huge wings, some like riding medium/normal wings, and a few like faster and smaller wings - personal liking only.

And yes, the other typically claimed beginner foils are somewhat the same as the 633, or reverse, these bigger wings are all good beginner wings too :D

8) PF

Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:52 pm
by grigorib
Foxi wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 11:10 am
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What does 633 make so special compared to early planning foils like Cabrinha Double Agent or Naish Thrust which are more judged as beginner foils ?
It’s a premium carbon wing, light, riding smooth without vibration or singing and matching same masts you use for faster wings.

The two foils you mentioned are cheap and heavy aluminum sets without an option to mount anything like 590 or 637 grade of wings on. Something like comparing a fancy camper RV to an U-haul truck.

Whoever judges lowend wings as “beginner wings” is probably calling Gunnar a beginner too since he kinda likes the wing....