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Re: Moses Onda 633 SUP combo - what board is your choice?

Postby slingshotucf » Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:23 am

Any board where you can put the foil all the way to the tail of the board will work fine. If you have a Moses board already, get a board shaper to install a track towards the rear of the board and it'll work perfectly. The big surf/sup wings work great when you can ride with your rear foot in front of the mast.

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Re: Moses Onda 633 SUP combo - what board is your choice?

Postby grigorib » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:37 am

I wouldn’t refer to it by name “Onda”...the names are a bit confusing as Moses gear is conveniently “mix and match”- I’m riding 633/749/483 setup on 71/91cm masts on Slingshot Dwarfcraft 42” board.
Works perfectly.

Position of the mast is about 1.5” back compared to 590 wing setup.

Straps would work but I’m riding strapless

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Re: Moses Onda 633 SUP combo - what board is your choice?

Postby HaylingBilly » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:55 pm

The Vorace mast from 2016 is not vertical, and it causes the wings to sit about 5cm further aft than their other masts. This should see you comfortably back into the front straps on the T40.

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Re: Moses Onda 633 SUP combo - what board is your choice?

Postby Foil » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:10 pm

HaylingBilly wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:55 pm
The Vorace mast from 2016 is not vertical, and it causes the wings to sit about 5cm further aft than their other masts. This should see you comfortably back into the front straps on the T40.
Good point,
that explains why Wayne, who uses the Vorace 2016 mast, has not had to make any adjustment to his stance when using the 633 wing combo. :thumb:

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Re: Moses Onda 633 SUP combo - what board is your choice?

Postby cwood » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:12 am

fun2kite wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:33 pm
Ok, I will agree I was using the combo that was not originally intended. I also already bought a CF lite skate that has 3 hole positions and it was just proven to work well with this setup.
CF lite https://www.crazyflykites.com/cf2018/boards/f-lite


But I believe by now Moses does advertise this combo as a kite-foil setup on their website. (without alerting that the T40/T60 will not work with this kit)
Again, I am NOT really complaining, but..

Here is from Moses site:
Moses Hydrofoil è con Sean McKenna. 1 week ago Moses HydrofoilNew spring release, the ONDA Kite!

Lately many riders gave us a stocking feed back using the ONDA61P airplane with the fluente 91 mast. So we decided to make it stock as a new model in the line.
Foiling at almost zero speed? X
22/25(wavy / flat) knots of top speed? X
Smallest turning radius? X
Foiling in white water like it is flat? X
Want to master tack&Jibe? X
Downsizing 2 kite sizes? X
2 purposes foil SURF/KITE? X
Fun Fun Fun
cwood wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:11 am

Moses doesn't have to fix anything. You are combining a kite only board (T40) with a SUP/Surf foil and fuselage. The T40 is set up for kite wing and fuse geometry. You need a board with tracks instead of fixed mount point so that you can adjust both the mast track and footstraps to get the right balance point. Perhaps Moses will come out with a Kite board intended for the 633 wing but then you would have the opposite problem going back to the kite foils. The best answer is a board with tracks.
Fair enough. Their web site details are quite poor actually. The T60 and 80 now are dead links.

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Re: Moses Onda 633 SUP combo - Track inserts?

Postby richy-c » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:22 pm

Hi some help on this subject please. Im just about to buy for my first foil a 2017 fluente with a T40 board and 550 wing. Im ordering an onda 633 set up to use for learning on. Does anyone know how much it costs roughly to have foil mount tracks put in?

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Re: Moses Onda 633 SUP combo - what board is your choice?

Postby richy-c » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:24 pm

Also im thinking of trying a adhesive foil mount from foil mount.Com does anyone have any experience with them?

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Re: Moses Onda 633 SUP combo - what board is your choice?

Postby Breze » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:25 pm

Have a look at the pics of making new holes for the 633.
http://forum.oase.com/showthread.php?t=173906
The black tape shows where the wooden stringer
is. Forget the 3M mount, 4 new holes are easy to make.

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Re: Moses Onda 633 SUP combo - Track inserts?

Postby TomW » Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:28 pm

richy-c wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:22 pm
Hi some help on this subject please. Im just about to buy for my first foil a 2017 fluente with a T40 board and 550 wing. Im ordering an onda 633 set up to use for learning on. Does anyone know how much it costs roughly to have foil mount tracks put in?
You should get the 2019 T38 board.

I had a T40 to learn on it with 2016 fluente mast and 550 /330 wings. I thought it was too big. (80kgs).
With 633 wingset you don't need that big of a Board.
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Re: Moses Onda 633 SUP combo - Track inserts?

Postby grigorib » Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:36 pm

richy-c wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:22 pm
Hi some help on this subject please. Im just about to buy for my first foil a 2017 fluente with a T40 board and 550 wing. Im ordering an onda 633 set up to use for learning on. Does anyone know how much it costs roughly to have foil mount tracks put in?
I saw a report of €150 for tracks (go through 2018 Moses forum for pics). I had tracks added for $150 to my board
But...
Difference in mast position between 550 and 633 is only 1-1.5”. You might want to consider following options:
1. Rather move straps/feet and leave mast position in same place for both
2. Add 4x6mm holes/tubes in the board instead of tracks
3. Get universal wing - 683s which would cover both learning/lightwind and will take you to nice speed as well
4. Get 590 (or 548) instead of 550 for more lowend and learning
5. Wait for new Moses wings to be released and see if you can get a larger-than-590 lightwind/learning wing for 680/647 fuselage
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