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Re: How to crash advice

Postby blu » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:10 am

That's what I do, and doesn't look good :D :o
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Re: How to crash advice

Postby Foil » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:44 am

blu wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:10 am
That's what I do, and doesn't look good :D :o
exactly the sort of fall that rips your shoulder away from your body, long lasting damage for sure.
great photo though. :thumb:
the sort that my wife would take instead of the fully under control ones I really want her to take, that she never does. :allbegood:

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Re: How to crash advice

Postby TomW » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:54 am

Yes, it's really hard to not reflexively put out your hand while falling like that. I try to have my free arm close to my body or over my face. But have no idea if I'm successful.

I've hurt my shoulder a few times falling like that, just soreness tho.

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Re: How to crash advice

Postby elguapo » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:14 am

edt wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:44 pm
on a hydrofoil it's not how you crash that matters it's spotting the board. If you can see the board it's actually pretty easy not go get a cut that needs stitches, you just move your head a little bit to keep it from hitting you hitting you really hard. Sometimes it's impossible to spot the board for one reason or another, then you got to just ball up protect everything with your arms, and hope for the best. I think if can try to get in the habit of looking for the board first thing when you know you're going to crash. My buddy had the exact same thing happen to him, he had a very gentle crash lost track of the board and it nailed him just under the helmet line got a bunch of stitches. If he had seen it coming, he would have been fine.
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Re: How to crash advice

Postby dave1986 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:33 pm

Had a great session on my new Moses 633 today... and a few near misses with the sharp wings close to hitting me.

So I'm looking for advice reccomendations for 2 new bits of kit:
1) Head protection/ helmet
2) Impact vest (needs to fit with waist harness)

Thanks in advance
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Re: How to crash advice

Postby BraCuru » Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:50 am

make sure your landing path is clear ;)
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Re: How to crash advice

Postby MattyM » Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:43 am

... and after you've hit the water, adopt a defensive position and keep still for a few seconds - in case that foil is chasing you down. Don't look round until you are sure the foil has stopped, and don't kick your legs out until you know where it is.

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Re: How to crash advice

Postby Kamikuza » Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:26 pm

MattyM wrote:
Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:43 am
... and after you've hit the water, adopt a defensive position and keep still for a few seconds - in case that foil is chasing you down. Don't look round until you are sure the foil has stopped, and don't kick your legs out until you know where it is.
And let the kite keep pulling you in the direction away from the board.

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Re: How to crash advice

Postby OzBungy » Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:19 am

I think the "how to crash" instructions are a bit optimistic. The vast majority of my crashes were hard and fast with no premeditation. The concept of "I'm crashing. I'll do this series of special things to limit my risk of injury." is quite bizarre. If I've got time to do all those things then chances are I can recover the fall.

What I have always done in all water sports is curl up in a ball, wrap my arms over my head and face, often with one arm extended above my head. That's mostly a surfing thing where a board can hit you as you come to the surface.

In terms of injuries, foiling crashes were causing a chronic neck injury. I fixed that by no longer wearing a helmet. I've got over 1000 hours of kite foiling so the sample size is pretty substantial. It's not like I wore a helmet once then stopped last week. Even before foiling, crashing a powered back roll kite loop with a helmet ended up with an exploding helmet.

An interesting aside is that I find that wing foiling causes a huge number of micro injuries. There's no way I would wing foil without a helmet. I think that's because everything is tied to you by short leashes. Face plants into the wing. Hands and fingers stuck in handles, ir wrist bent back hitting the leading edge. Getting run over or bumped by the board.

A fairly common sequence is getting thrown off by a pitching wave, face planting into the wing, then getting run over.

Wing foiling is quite slow so impacts with the water are pretty pedestrian.

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Re: How to crash advice

Postby Kamikuza » Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:17 pm

OzBungy wrote:
Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:19 am
I think the "how to crash" instructions are a bit optimistic. The vast majority of my crashes were hard and fast with no premeditation. The concept of "I'm crashing. I'll do this series of special things to limit my risk of injury." is quite bizarre. If I've got time to do all those things then chances are I can recover the fall.

What I have always done in all water sports is curl up in a ball, wrap my arms over my head and face, often with one arm extended above my head. That's mostly a surfing thing where a board can hit you as you come to the surface.

In terms of injuries, foiling crashes were causing a chronic neck injury. I fixed that by no longer wearing a helmet. I've got over 1000 hours of kite foiling so the sample size is pretty substantial. It's not like I wore a helmet once then stopped last week. Even before foiling, crashing a powered back roll kite loop with a helmet ended up with an exploding helmet.

An interesting aside is that I find that wing foiling causes a huge number of micro injuries. There's no way I would wing foil without a helmet. I think that's because everything is tied to you by short leashes. Face plants into the wing. Hands and fingers stuck in handles, ir wrist bent back hitting the leading edge. Getting run over or bumped by the board.

A fairly common sequence is getting thrown off by a pitching wave, face planting into the wing, then getting run over.

Wing foiling is quite slow so impacts with the water are pretty pedestrian.
Block like a boxer... when I have the time to get my arm up. Better to have a vest and helmet so you don't have to rely on reactions or instincts to protect yourself. Can't do much about my balls though, I seem to be particularly skilled at crashing hard right on them. I thought the waist harness would end that issue but nope :)

Zero ear issues since I started wearing SurfEars, even in summer. Foiling seems to blast me into the water harder and faster than anything else...


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