Im quite the sure a 15m2 UL foil kite will not give you the same low end of the bigger sizes, i own a 15m Chrono V2 UL and it will not get me moving in 4-5 knots like my 19m R1V2 does. It seems the 21m will even get you 1 knot lower. Its very important that this big kites fly very stable, you should not need to fight to keep them in the air in 4-5 knots, they should hang in there like it was 8, so i believe its still important the "brand" you choose for this big ones.Peter_Frank wrote: ↑Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:40 pmWe have had several threads about this, but would like to start one again - now where we have more options to choose from, and probably many have got more experience now and might be able to compare race versus freeride UL foil kites.
Which kites seem to work the best in marginal wind for foiling ?
Light and strutless tubes works great down to 6-7 knots, but then its over as they can be kept in the air quite easy when looped, but not sufficient peak power to start foiling.
Race foil kites if not the UL ones, tend to drop and fold too when 6 knots and less, if not super stable smooth wind, so should be the UL ones...
Take the wind numbers with a grain of salt, it is not the topic.
But which kites can work in the lowest wind ?
Not talking racing, just which works in low wind.
For the average weight it seems that around a 15 m2 foilkite will give you the same lowend as bigger ones, and hangs just as well or easier because they are more agile, but again 12-13 m2 kites are really powerful when looped too, and 18 m2s has pure pull of course.
Could be part of the topic, but firstly, which ones "hang" the best ?
The single skin foil kites maybe ? But apparently they have issues not delivering sufficient peak power to start foiling
Relaunch is not a question with these kites, as one must expect a swim anyways - so doesnt matter.
It is all about being able to keep the kite in the air, and have sufficient peak power to start foiling, even if really long lines
Some of the contenders could be:
Racekites in the light versions - but they turn a bit slow because of higher AR usually, and seem to "fold" easier.
Concept Air Pulsion light version.
Aeros Navy2 light version.
Ozone Hyperlink UltraLight, max size 12 m2 though.
Pansh Aurora 2 Ultralight.
What are the experiences today ? Any others not mentioned ?
Never tried those kites, not sure if we can find them in europe, but looking at the design i expect the windrange to be quite small no? What would be in upper end of a 18m ?Regis-de-giens wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:29 pmPeter I cannot refrain to participate !
If the (Interesting) topic is on the ultimate marginal lower end ability, i.e. being able to launch , go out of coast in the water, waterstart and stay upwind.
Then to me the Conceptair Pulsion is the winner and i think that most testers will confirm. In 15m or 18m depending on rider weight.
With the recent lower wind references from 2 years in which these kites can now fly, a 12m2 is not powerful enough to get you out , even with 60kg like I am.
I did not try the brm cloud that is maybe a very good competitor even if would bet it needs more wind ; but from other kites I owned or tried (all FS speeds 2-3-4-5 including silver arrow, kitech frs, aurora v2 light, Elf j5) and the ones tested by friends which also tested the Pulsion (Pelican, Hyperlink, sonic2, chrono 1, PL Aero), Pulsion is better hanging in the sky (15m is 1.8kg only) and more "gliding " loop (Moderate ratio), and stable in marginal wind.
Single skin kites like Peak or Shaman with their 12m2 max and "backstalled" loop have not enough power. I had a peak 9m and IMO it needs more wind than Pulsion to keep in the air when looped or after a lull in the edge of window . Also they lack internal pressure to keep the kite in shape, so less rigid in ponctual ultimate lulls leading to 4 slack lines during some precious seconds. Even on snow I do better now with my pulsion than peak.
And on top of that you keep a chance to relaunch after a punctual lull or rider mistake even in poor wind thanks to moderate ratio (even if a bit out of topic but still ... useful )
I can only advise you to just try it with 27/30m lines !