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Maybe the first Carafino was a dog, dont know, but the next one soon after worked just dandy and good wings/mast.

Some are still around, perfect for learning and freeride actually

PF

Don't know what version it was, but the one I tested had flat wings and a mast with an egg shaped cross section, no sharp trailing edges anywhere. Had a ton of drag and the trim varied massivly on different speeds. Completely different to the zeeko makaira I had back then.

The thin carafino wing is great. Big as a dinner plate but thin. Just proves you can go with a wing that has absolutely no profile....the 633 is pretty thin too...of course it has a little profile but not much....was telling our intermediate riders I wasnt ready to go to the lift for two years I was learning so much on the big wing carafino. Now they are into the 633...circle agreed here.

Peter_Frank wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:43 pm

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Nowadays we are back to the starting point for many freeriders and waveriders, as now the wings are back to the Carafino shape, same area and low AR - the circle is complete now 11 years later
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there's one more factor which is rarely mentioned - arrowhead shape, which is more common in larger wings. It prevents seaweed accumulation and I can't praise enough swept back wings when riding in OBX. For lake Michigan - who gives a damn.
Last week sucked in OBX even with 633 setup - the wing would remain clean but the 483 stabilizer catching al the crap was making it feel as if I hit a deer on the highway and kept dragging it under my car.

Windsurfers got the seaweed fins a while ago, there are places which need them for foiling too

NYKiter wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:41 pm

...the 633 is pretty thin too...of course it has a little profile but not much....

about 25mm at least. 633 is fat thick bastard and profile depth is not often pointed out describing wing details. But remember adding 3mm of thickness to 550 and making a 548 and how much lowend effect and folks' appreciation it resulted in

Good point.

grigorib wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:26 pm

Hydrofoiling is on a mission of killing the twintips en masse and we will see more variety, more features, more standards and proven solutions.

Your not going to take a hydrofoil on a downwinder in Planet of the Apes.



And you can't do darkslides with a hydrofoil.

SaulOhio wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:11 pm

And you can't do darkslides with a hydrofoil.

Don’t tell that to this guy...

SaulOhio wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:11 pm

grigorib wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:26 pm

Hydrofoiling is on a mission of killing the twintips en masse and we will see more variety, more features, more standards and proven solutions.

Your not going to take a hydrofoil on a downwinder in Planet of the Apes.

And you can't do darkslides with a hydrofoil.

I should start with that the video you linked would look much better with a foil. Having 71cm mast he could have more fun there on a foil compared to mowing a lawn on a twintip.

Personally I’ll take my 9m Turbine to planet downwinder any given 25 knots SW day and I’ll ride the crap out of both channels and both Planet and Real slicks But I’d ride my 633 with a 9m Rally when guys are going to need a monster door and 17m wing to be able to ride.

The point is I know enough of good riders who would prefer to foil even though we’d all have great boosting fun day. Folks who keep twintips sitting in the car even in 5m conditions and hover around instead. A friend of mine was very skeptical of such claims a year ago and now he’s just like that. Twintip is kept only for smooth, strong boosting days.

Wait until all the guys who just mow it back and forth discover the magic of foiling. They would never get to ramp anyways and once foiling it’ll be one way ticket for them. Foiling is just too hot.

Doors, large LEIs are disappearing and their sales are down. Nobody wants to ride a Zamboni, those times are over.
Boring foiling is way more cool than boring twintipping.

Speaking of planet downwinder I think I should give it a try on a foil I had good time between shore and the Rodanthe shipwreck last couple of weeks, I can ride shallow on 71cm mast I think Will do in October...

Peter_Frank wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:22 am

Maybe the first Carafino was a dog, dont know, but the next one soon after worked just dandy and good wings/mast.

Some are still around, perfect for learning and freeride actually

PF

Remember how Marek B was saying “what happened to wave wings line? I’m keeping my 4xx 2015 setup!”
Even MHL ditched the format just to come back few years later with 130 and 150 wings
Racing boosted but also fooled the foil industry cutting off huge market away

BraCuru wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:48 am

Jollydriver wrote:I don't see the downside of keeping the FR425/450 in the line up for learning and waves, and I'm curious if I'm the only one who feels that way.

You're not only the one. I was surprised too. It is like Cabrinha would give up with Switchblade or Ozone with Edge.
These wings are probably the wings which have been on sale without any changes the longest period in history of the industry.
However - I got good news - FR425 & FR450 can be ordered despite they are not on the website.

I do have a HP560, and it is a kick in the pants, but there are days and conditions where I am still using the older lower aspect ration wing, and should I get to the point where I'm teaching anyone, I think I would still start them on the lower profile wing so they are not overwhelmed by an accelerating wing setup.

Brother, I feel the same
FR425 - so far the best WAVE wing by me.
FR425/FR450 - easier wing to take first steps in foilboarding than any other medium/high AR wings.

Jolly - or maybe we are wrong & old date foilers? Maybe HP560 is easier for beginners than we think?
I wonder to read any feedback from newbies on HP560.