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Dwarfcraft 3’6” vs Groove Skate

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:35 pm
by caps
Anyone out there that has ridden both and can compare the two? I’m an intermediate that rides on foil most of the time, working on tacks, 360s, 180s and jumps. I have a ss gw 633 setup arriving soon. SS is my local brand but curious how the Groove compares considering all the hype on this forum. I currently ride a 2016 SS Alien Air with HG foil. It’s time to lighten up. I’m leaning to stay local with the smaller dwarfcraft.

Cheers!

Re: Dwarfcraft 3’6” vs Groove Skate

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:53 pm
by grigorib
Ask Eric how he feels about the 633 and 3’6” Dwarfcraft. Or Fred. Or bunch of others. I think you’ll want to burn the Alien Air at stake once you’re on the small DC....
Not as much nose scoop rocker as AA but with 633 you won’t be touching water much either

I’d love to try the Groove but looking at the cost and the queue to get one I’d rather wait for the DC micro or get a Kanaha 37”

Re: Dwarfcraft 3’6” vs Groove Skate

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:07 am
by salvino
I do think that these pocket boards have so much to offer. That, combined with a significant market of intermediate foilers looking to upgrade are going to overwhelm suppliers.

Select and order soon. Just sayin

Re: Dwarfcraft 3’6” vs Groove Skate

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:23 am
by grigorib
salvino wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:07 am
I do think that these pocket boards have so much to offer. That, combined with a significant market of intermediate foilers looking to upgrade are going to overwhelm suppliers.

Select and order soon. Just sayin
You’d expect suppliers to read the writing on the wall and kind of dump the unnecessarily complicated truck-sized horrors they’ve been offering for freeride so far. The

Re: Dwarfcraft 3’6” vs Groove Skate

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:00 am
by junebug
Any other pocket boards out there that people like? I’m leaning toward getting a SS micro, but, at 42 inches, I’m wondering if I won’t think it is too long in 6 months. I like what I’ve read about the Kanaha 37 inch, but I like adjustable tracks, and I don’t really want to pay $850 for a board without them.

Re: Dwarfcraft 3’6” vs Groove Skate

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:40 am
by Foil
Just the look of the groove skate wins for me compared to the dwarf craft, there are 3 in regular use at my local spot, all different colours, mine is in fluro green, another is fluro orange and the other is in light grey, and the grey one looks a beast and the best, the grey and black contrast between the deck pads and carbon mast wings looks stunning.
Apart from looks it still amazes me in every respect, so easy to manage from car to the waters edge, weighs so little, the way it resists diving is amazing, it needs adjusting to as it feels very twitchy when you jump from a larger standard size board, but this translates to very fast, or slow tight turns.

There is one annoying bit about the board, the rails which are dark silver black, scratch up far too easily, and expose the white layer underneath, shame really but someone will share a cure for this I hope.ie like never rest it on its side unless the sand is fine soft sand.

Re: Dwarfcraft 3’6” vs Groove Skate

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:58 pm
by caps
Having not ridden a “pocket” board yet, the push to go increasingly smaller reminds me of the similar trend years ago when everyone pined for smaller and smaller twintips until the tide turned and it reversed course. For the forever intermediate foiler, what is the optimal “pocket” board length/width/volume/scoop/etc.? Time will tell! But in the meantime, I love the forever search for the ultimate gear in a sport with no equal in stokability!

Re: Dwarfcraft 3’6” vs Groove Skate

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:00 pm
by oregonkiter
I went from the AAir to the 36 DC and there is no going back. I got it because I got tired of wrestling the AAir into my hatchback... I am riding the SS 633 on a 105 cm GW mast in all wind conditions. So much easier to ride, lighter, less mass in front of you slowing everything down, easier to get into position on the water, much, much easier to waterstart with straps, hook(s), or strapless if you ever want (need) to do that. In general, if your goal is to stay on foil through all transitions (never touch down), then going smaller will be pure joy. If you want to do moves on the surface, you will have a lot less margin for error on the smaller boards. I just picked up a spare 2018 36DC as they are on sale prior to the 2019 36DC release which is identical except for color.

I am very interested in the upcoming Micro DC36, but if you ride a bigger wing like the 633, the mast needs to go ALL the way back. I need to see where they put the Micro track before I buy one. As per the image of the Micro on the SS site--which may or may not be the production final, it's 5cm ish forward of the regular 36DC which will not work for the 633 wing for me. It will work for the 590 wing very well, however.

In general, I feel like on a small board I now "ride the wing" vs "ride the board." Thus, smaller board-->better wing feel-->bigger hydrofoil sensation--->bigger smiles. Moreover, and much to my surprise, the smaller board felt EASIER from the very first reach. Case in point, my hyper-coordinated 19 year old son who has foiled maybe 20 sessions and was switching feet on-foil on session 3, already learned to sit on his board, doing tow-in with other kiters etc, thought my 36DC should be smaller for him. So, he picked up a free wake board, takes a saw to one end of it, cut it 6" shorter than my 36DC, Solarezed the cut end, sprayed Gorilla adhesive on the deck and stuck down a pad, drilled holes for his 633 mast and mounted with bolts from local hardware store. Size--tiny; Cost--$45. He loves it.

Lastly, get yourself a SS GW 91 setup. This has the 633 wing. Amazing wing. So fun!

Re: Dwarfcraft 3’6” vs Groove Skate

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:04 am
by junebug
Bumping to see if anyone else has any other recommendations on a pocket board? I’m looking in the 100 cm-108cm range. I’ve looked at Groove skate, naish, dwarfcraft, j shapes, zeeko mini, and kanaha.

Re: Dwarfcraft 3’6” vs Groove Skate

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:51 pm
by DAnderson
An ongoing list I've compiled w/ the smaller ones bold if it's helpful.
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