Moses 101 mast vs 91 mast with onda HF.

[francis luengo]

I would like to hear your opinions .
There are too many opinios about the board but no one about the mast.
I´m riding it wiht the 101 mast and I am very comfortable wiht it.

[tomtom]

91 is it for me. Longer mast isnt good thing for freeriding , you need longer mast out of necesity. So shortest possible that still works and thats 91 for me.
You dont race on Onda.

[francis luengo]

91 is it for me. Longer mast isnt good thing for freeriding , you need longer mast out of necesity. So shortest possible that still works and thats 91 for me.
You dont race on Onda.

101 is for freeriding
111 is for RACE.
In my opinión.

[tomtom]

You was asking about Onda - Freeride wave carve setup - mainly upright freeride - and cranking just back upwind. - Surfers who rides only upright and not cranked uses ca. 60cm mast because of most lively setup and as they dont crank - they havent ventilation problem. To overcome ventilation while cranking you must use longer mast - which is worse in every way /for upright carving - waveriding/ but ventilation. So its about compromise. Moses itself think that 91 is optimum kite setup for ONDA and people using either 71 or 91 with it. Onda is stable and slow enough to copy with chop on 91cm.

[jespin4845]

When I had a 107 mast I could not crank out the G’s that I could get carving with a 91cm mast...

You can ride either one easily, but getting more aggresive 91 is better for me... the leverage when u go above just starts to get too much and far away from you.

71-91 for me...above is unnecessary, especially on a wave wing

But others will disagree, you have to ride both to find what you like, and a mellow freerider will like something different than someone trying to kite more aggressively and trying to land strapless backroll on the foil

[tomtom]

Note: About cranking i mean race position with mast more parallel to water. This position require ride wings deeper. Thats why racers use 110+ masts - they can ride deeper without catching chop.

[TomW]

I have been using 590 wing on 2016 fluente mast that is supposed to be 93cm. I have to be careful in upwind tilt and transitions to not ventilate.
Now on 633 for 6 -7 sessions. Much less problem ventilating both upwind cranking and all around transitions. Plus, it's very much easier to recover from a ventilation. I'm kinda pushing to that limit and playing with ventilation now.
A few months back I was looking at investing in101 mast. No longer...

[Foil]

It's funny seeing everyone's different take on mast lengths, all valid for the user making the comment.
My reason for using only the 101 mast now is I find it the best when jumping from the Onda wing on to the 637 race wing, in fact the 637 wing would be frightening to use with a shorter mast as the thing rides so dam fast I don't want to risk ventilating at silly speeds, and its speed upwind is making me think a 111 mast might be best.
I find the 101 mast with the 633 Onda is just perfect for me in rolling waves and sea chop especially when under looping going from toeside to heel at speed on a wave, the 90 mast was just not long enough to keep the wing tip under the surface when carving round.
Even with the 101 I have to be careful and not lean back to much into the turn.

[Peter_Frank]

It's funny seeing everyone's different take on mast lengths, all valid for the user making the comment.
My reason for using only the 101 mast now is I find it the best when jumping from the Onda wing on to the 637 race wing, in fact the 637 wing would be frightening to use with a shorter mast as the thing rides so dam fast I don't want to risk ventilating at silly speeds, and its speed upwind is making me think a 111 mast might be best.
I find the 101 mast with the 633 Onda is just perfect for me in rolling waves and sea chop especially when under looping going from toeside to heel at speed on a wave, the 90 mast was just not long enough to keep the wing tip under the surface when carving round.
Even with the 101 I have to be careful and not lean back to much into the turn.

I feel just like Foil, even with huge surf wings masts easily gets too short...

90 or 100 cm is my choice, 90 only when not too big/messy.

Dont understand those talking about "upright surfing"???

When you surf on a wave, you turn and carve around right?

Meaning you lean a lot both forwards and backwards

Of course, beginner SUP foilers (without a kite) might just go in a straight line, but otherwise you hardly never do that but want to carve tight and sometimes leaned over hard.

Others swear to short masts for some reason, so like others mention, simply personal and also depends on your "style" I think

My friends who got a 90 cm want a 100, and those who got a 100 are thinking "is a 90 better"? Ha haa, just shows how impossible it is.

You are hardly any wiser now in this thread francis luengo.

But as you might ride in less wind and smaller chop with the big Onda 633 wing, you should just choose a 91 cm and then you will be happy, no doubt

PF

[grigorib]

Mine 105cm works great for either 590 or 633 in deep water
Tried 101cm as well and it worked great too
91cm is a good middle ground if you decide to have one mast only
71cm is awesome in shallows of OBX