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Re: Levitaz Cruizer vs Moses Onda

Postby DAnderson » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:10 pm

My reference to strapless waterstarts was meant as a direct comparison to the Onda. Which will float on it's side in starting position w/ essentially no technique required.

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Re: Levitaz Cruizer vs Moses Onda

Postby ScoopZ » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:08 pm

In terms of price the Onda 71 and Onda kite are pretty much the same price as the hybrid cruiser 60cm. Purchasing it with the 80cm mast is £50 more.

The Moses system has the benefit of adding wing sizes easily between 1000cm2 to 2000cm2. I think the cruiser is the largest wing for that fuse. The Shaka foil then covers around 1500-2000 with a 5cm shorter fuse.

If the cruiser wing was modular with the Shaka (I don't know?) they would be very similar, but granted, demand for Onda is huge.

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Re: Levitaz Cruizer vs Moses Onda

Postby grigorib » Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:50 pm

Tony wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:41 am
I'm curious if the people reporting flex are on the 96cm carbon mast. I'm riding shallow waters with the 60cm and 80cm hybrid masts and do not notice any flex. The Levitaz foils are well engineered and flawless in their construction. Not the The lightest but the fuse is stainless and shorter masts are carbon/aluminum. The cruiser is a great wing.
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I hope your offer to demo your cruizer will last till we meet again, the setup looked done very well!

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Re: Levitaz Cruizer vs Moses Onda

Postby Horst Sergio » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:20 pm

ScoopZ wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:08 pm
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The Moses system has the benefit of adding wing sizes easily between 1000cm2 to 2000cm2. I think the cruiser is the largest wing for that fuse. The Shaka foil then covers around 1500-2000 with a 5cm shorter fuse.

If the cruiser wing was modular with the Shaka (I don't know?) they would be very similar, but granted, demand for Onda is huge.
No, it is the opposite, in this case benefit is with Levitaz system:

While you have to have another fuselage for the bigger Moses wings > 1000 cm² in comparision to the smaller ones < 1000 cm², so must have two fuselages for a full moses wings range.

At levitaz it is pretty unique in the industry that you have just one front end type of fuselage conector that fits all their existing wings: from extremly small Race 390 cm² up to large Surf of 2000 cm² wings.

Don't take fuselage length to serious. Yes, Levitaz recommend a bit longer or shorter (also thicker and thinner) fuselages for diffent combinations, but on the end this is more about favour and riding style, not about structural incompatibility as on moses Surf and Kite foil wings. I for example ride a super tiny old race back wing (no more produced) with the not recommended, as named to short freeride fuselage for maximum agility close to monofoiling,
while friends prefer big free ride back wings with the also not recommended extra long (no more produced) old race fuselage, to have maximum speed control.

All about 400 combinations (7 wings x 4 strut x 4 fuselages x 4 stabis) can work well.
Just some like big surf stabi with race wing or those with short sturt, or surf wings with long struts... won't make to much sense for most,
but on the end it is all just about personal preferences and riding style which is the limit.
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Re: Levitaz Cruizer vs Moses Onda

Postby grigorib » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:51 pm

Horst Sergio wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:20 pm

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Don't take fuselage length to serious. ...
Agree absolutely - Moses 647 vs. 710 vs, 749 fuselages don't position wings very differently apart and a single fuselage is certainly a huge benefit
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Re: Levitaz Cruizer vs Moses Onda

Postby Tony » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:55 pm

grigorib wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:50 pm
Tony wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:41 am
I'm curious if the people reporting flex are on the 96cm carbon mast. I'm riding shallow waters with the 60cm and 80cm hybrid masts and do not notice any flex. The Levitaz foils are well engineered and flawless in their construction. Not the The lightest but the fuse is stainless and shorter masts are carbon/aluminum. The cruiser is a great wing.
Tony
I hope your offer to demo your cruizer will last till we meet again, the setup looked done very well!
Absolutely. Let me know the next time you're in Hatteras.

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Re: Levitaz Cruizer vs Moses Onda

Postby Horst Sergio » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:51 pm

On top comes,
that with Levitaz you have a pretty much constant pressure point inbetween all wings, so realy just have to change wing not strut to board positon.
(not tested with the big Shakas yet, but as profile is not just elongated towards front, but also a lot towards back under the strut, pressure point should stay also pretty much constant here as well)

On Moses you not just need two fuselages, but you may also come to a limit with those by serial to short travel track system of your board, when trying to compansate the huge amount of presure point travel for the different moses wings.

On the other hand for self builders as grigorib has let it done. Moses systems gives the theoretical potential to build fuselage with very different and if thick enough even wing directly under strut positions, which can be nice, but which for Levitaz system is impossible, but as said this is just interesting for self builders.

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Re: Levitaz Cruizer vs Moses Onda

Postby ScoopZ » Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:34 pm

Thanks Horst, that is valuable insight. :thumb:


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