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Re: Moses 2019

Postby Foil » Wed May 15, 2019 11:06 am

the gap at the front shown above made me check my 683s on the longer fuse, this years (not the 710)
no gap!
my wing is maybe 7 weeks old and the fuse 6 months old.
I have taken a photo in bright light and will post up later today when my brand new 683s and brand new longer fuse arrives,
I can compare the two together, I also have a brand new week old 633 wing so will check to fit with that as well.

mmmm, just checked my new one and the gap is there just like the photos above :cry: so will be using that fuse for my 633 wing as that is perfect.

strange that my other fuse is a perfect fit on the 683s, but it is, so it will stay on that fuse. :thumb:
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby Gonzolinho » Wed May 15, 2019 1:13 pm

grigorib wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 1:12 am
Slingshot is already behind Cabrinha in neat aluminum mast foils and unlike clean Cabrinha line the slingshot wing line is confusing and overlapping.......

........ I ride Moses and Slingshot-rebranded Moses........
:lol: :lol: man, you have no clew. Future will tell, you're gonna see. Remember my words :wink:
Moses has not been able to produce a carbon mast being stiffer than all the aluminum versions on the market. But for sure you will explain to me now that the Moses carbon mast is stiffer than the Slingshot alu one :cool2:
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby Gonzolinho » Wed May 15, 2019 1:21 pm

Flyboy wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 3:11 am
I'm not clear ... is Slingshot not collaborating with Moses in the future?
2020 will be from a different manufacturer. Moses will soon be history for the equipment fanboys.
Though they can use the existing wings from Slingshot. So if they keep going on with the wings, like Cabrinha is doing with the for years being unchanged Switchblade, they will have some more years to go. But development will stagnate unless they hire some designer.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Wed May 15, 2019 4:08 pm

I'm really glad that whatever Tony and Moses did together and for each other resulted in amazing gear I love to ride.
After all, I personally want to ride gear which is great and I'd contribute and share both excitement and critique with whichever brand I ride.
I tried to reach out to Tony last May but got stonewalled. Jimmy took time to communicate with me.
I've got observations and feedback and I'm not bound by NDAs or contracts. I hope feedback from me and all of us would shape manufacturers' offerings and would result in better gear and our endless hours on water on that gear.

For now on my Moses wish list there are still couple more items:
- 81cm carbon mast (currently substituting with aluminum setup)
- larger (850-1000 sq.cm), more arrowheaded wing for 647 fuselage (currently substituting with 683s/710/450)
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby tomtom » Wed May 15, 2019 4:38 pm

Can you tell us - looks like you have inside insight who design 633 and 683? many thanks.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby oregonkiter » Wed May 15, 2019 4:45 pm

^^^
Grigory speaks the truth. It is in our collective interest to have SS, Moses, Cabrinha etc etc etc pushing each other to innovate and improve. I live in Hood River and like many here, support our local brand. That said, the LAST thing I want is for any brand to dominate the market. Innovation suffers, prices go up, and we lose.

Moses makes beautiful stuff, and yes SS has/had a big hand in that. It will be great to see SS make their own gear moving forward, and see how other innovators respond.

We win

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby Flyboy » Wed May 15, 2019 4:54 pm

oregonkiter wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 4:45 pm
I live in Hood River and like many here, support our local brand. That said, the LAST thing I want is for any brand to dominate the market. Innovation suffers, prices go up, and we lose.
Talking of which ... what happening with LP? They don't seem to have come up with anything new for a long time. Are they abandoning the biz?

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby ScoopZ » Wed May 15, 2019 8:04 pm

How recently did they split Gonzolinho?

Im wondering if this is the reason we haven't heard much of the Alu Moses? Julien Kerneur had one on his IG a while back and said they were taking pre-orders for April :?:

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Wed May 15, 2019 8:15 pm

Here comes sweet couple, resting on a fluffy bed.
59% larger wing, 50% larger stabilizer
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby omg » Thu May 16, 2019 7:18 am

so are you saying the designer of foil wings has left Moses?


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