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Re: Moses 2019

Postby alowishus » Sat May 18, 2019 6:09 am

Foil wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 4:34 pm
TomW wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 3:27 pm
I'm willing to pay a little more to get a nice black alu mast with the Moses logo so it matches my wings and fuselage. That Said, they should make an adapter too.
lets see just what Moses are able to offer,
if no adaptor is available from moses then if I am right there are 2 adaptors being made right now(I have one of them)
the one from Huston kiteboarding who market the stick on foil mount, the adaptor is superb, but-
stringfellow again in the states, makes the same mast adaptor (slingshot to moses) only it looks even neater.
anybody else? :thumb:
Tucker from MACKite suggested an angle grinder on the Foilmount adapter to make it more hydrodynamic.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby TomW » Sat May 18, 2019 3:23 pm

It's really great to have a company that believes in and invests in local design and production, one that engages with it's users and provides service and assistance quickly. It's these kind of companies that are creating sustainable business opportunity and future.
Please keep going this way!

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Sun May 19, 2019 6:18 pm

grigorib wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 5:15 pm
alowishus wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 4:05 pm
grigorib wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 6:16 pm
...450 wingtips are pointed up and are less pointy so there'll be less chance of wingtip damage (which 483 occasionally gets)...

...I will certainly be riding 683s/710/450 but I wish it was flawless and if someone had looked at it more critically - we'd have a perfect set.
Hi grigorib,
Are you able to comment on the difference between riding the 450 and the 483 stabilizers with the 683S?

Apart from the less pointy wing tips, was there any other reason for going with the 450?
I liked how 450 is more compact and I was hoping less pointy winglets would add to durability.
Plus, it’s a new year wing, why not give it a try :)

As soon as compare them side by side I’ll share my feedback.
So I rode with 450 and 710 yesterday. However it was far from side by side comparison - I had 105cm mast instead of 91cm (and it mounts slightly different position) and besides that 710 instead of 749 and 450 instead of 483.

Rode just fine and had great fun (as usual). One thing I noticed for sure was that I needed to stand forward by couple of inches compared to 749/483/91

I’m going back to OBX next Friday and will certainly be riding 91cm mast, and will try to substitute one component at a time and share my feedback.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby max » Sun May 19, 2019 10:07 pm

grigorib wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 6:18 pm


Rode just fine and had great fun (as usual). One thing I noticed for sure was that I needed to stand forward by couple of inches compared to 749/483/91


well . . . that is the opposite of what I had hoped.

I am already 2" forward of where I used to ride before I changed to the new Moses rig . . . 683/483/91/710 so may not bother with 450 if it means 2" further forward again.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Sun May 19, 2019 10:30 pm

max wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 10:07 pm
grigorib wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 6:18 pm


Rode just fine and had great fun (as usual). One thing I noticed for sure was that I needed to stand forward by couple of inches compared to 749/483/91


well . . . that is the opposite of what I had hoped.

I am already 2" forward of where I used to ride before I changed to the new Moses rig . . . 683/483/91/710 so may not bother with 450 if it means 2" further forward again.
It might be the stabilizer, might be the fuselage, might be the different mast. Stay tuned, there will be more comparison to come

So are you saying you changed from 749 to 710 and had to move forward?
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby max » Sun May 19, 2019 10:36 pm

grigorib wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 10:30 pm

So do you say you changed from 749 to 710 and had to move forward?

It might be the stabilizer, might be the fuselage, might be the different mast. Stay tuned, there will be more comparison to come
Sorry no. I had a Zeeko setup and when I changed to the Moses, I had to move 2" forward (to compensate for extra front foot pressure) as one board has a single mast attachment point and the other has the mast at the very back of the tracks.

The Moses setup I purchased is 683S/483/91/710.

Looking forward to more comparison. Will be able to get a 450 here in about 3weeks time as was considering it in the hope of reducing the front foot pressure, even more manoeuvrability and perhaps a bit more top end (though not that important)

Specifically comparison with 683S/483/91/710 and 683S/450/91/710 setups.
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Sun May 19, 2019 10:40 pm

max wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 10:07 pm
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I am already 2" forward of where I used to ride before I changed to the new Moses rig . . . 683/483/91/710 so may not bother with 450 if it means 2" further forward again.
What was your old Moses rig on which you could stand 2” back?

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby max » Sun May 19, 2019 10:43 pm

grigorib wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 10:40 pm


What was your old Moses rig on which you could stand 2” back?

Please see my edited comment above.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby NYKiter » Sun May 19, 2019 11:21 pm

Looks like the prices have gone up significantly for the same models this year....

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Mon May 20, 2019 12:23 am

max wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 10:43 pm
grigorib wrote:
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What was your old Moses rig on which you could stand 2” back?

Please see my edited comment above.
Even when switching from 590/647/330 to 633/749/483 (or 683s/749/483) I need to move mast back by 1.5” (or feet forward). A nice solution to the problem is 743 fuselage which is designed to address this issue specifically.
Certainly will compare 683s/710/483/91 and 683s/710/450/91 in less than two weeks
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