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Re: Moses 2019

Postby trod27 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:55 am

grigorib wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 7:42 pm
I promised I’d compare 483 and 450 stabilizers side by side. so I did yesterday with 683s wing, 710 fuselage, 105cm mast and my 36” woody board under 7m Rally.

Session #1 - 450 stabilizer shimmed with 0.9mm washer - felt pretty good. Proper foot position on the board
Session #2 - 483 stabilizer, no shim. Perfect and perfect foot position
Session #3 - 450 stabilizer shimmed with a 1.2mm washer. Perfect ride, perfect foot position.

Waiting for my proper shims to come in mail.

Conclusion - 483 stabilizer is amazing but has wingtips pointed down and prone to damage in shallows. 450 stabilizer is more compact, 45g heavier, has better, damage-prone winglets pointed up and it takes shims to get foot positioned right where they were with 483

I will also try to do another attempt of riding 683s with 710 fuselage and 91cm mast but 330 or 325 stabilizer when I get to OBX coming weekend.
I hope to see you guys on water
Grig your are right my man. I did 2 day test with 633/710/450/91 on SS DC 42" strapless.
First day no rear shim, and I really have to ride forward with a lot of foot pressure. Big take away is rear foot was right over front wing, and front foot was right behind second foot strap hole.
Today i put 1.25mm shim on rear bolt of rear wing. Rode awesome. much better feel. rear foot 3" behind front wing. Front foot behind fourth foot strap hole.

I want to try a little more shim (.3mm)?

I used heat shrink. it is 15mm wide, and .60mm thick (2 sides). I sandwiched two pieces together (~1.25mm) and trimmed. Thinking about adding .3mm
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby alowishus » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:51 am

grigorib wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 7:42 pm
I promised I’d compare 483 and 450 stabilizers side by side. so I did yesterday with 683s wing, 710 fuselage, 105cm mast and my 36” woody board under 7m Rally.

Session #1 - 450 stabilizer shimmed with 0.9mm washer - felt pretty good. Proper foot position on the board
Session #2 - 483 stabilizer, no shim. Perfect and perfect foot position
Session #3 - 450 stabilizer shimmed with a 1.2mm washer. Perfect ride, perfect foot position.

Waiting for my proper shims to come in mail.

Conclusion - 483 stabilizer is amazing but has wingtips pointed down and prone to damage in shallows. 450 stabilizer is more compact, 45g heavier, has better, damage-prone winglets pointed up and it takes shims to get foot positioned right where they were with 483

I will also try to do another attempt of riding 683s with 710 fuselage and 91cm mast but 330 or 325 stabilizer when I get to OBX coming weekend.
I hope to see you guys on water
Hi grigor, Where did you order your shims from? While I'm tempted to sandwich and bit a plastic in there like trod, the shims you have pictured look the deal.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:55 pm

alowishus wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:51 am
grigorib wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 7:42 pm
I promised I’d compare 483 and 450 stabilizers side by side. so I did yesterday with 683s wing, 710 fuselage, 105cm mast and my 36” woody board under 7m Rally.

Session #1 - 450 stabilizer shimmed with 0.9mm washer - felt pretty good. Proper foot position on the board
Session #2 - 483 stabilizer, no shim. Perfect and perfect foot position
Session #3 - 450 stabilizer shimmed with a 1.2mm washer. Perfect ride, perfect foot position.

Waiting for my proper shims to come in mail.

Conclusion - 483 stabilizer is amazing but has wingtips pointed down and prone to damage in shallows. 450 stabilizer is more compact, 45g heavier, has better, damage-prone winglets pointed up and it takes shims to get foot positioned right where they were with 483

I will also try to do another attempt of riding 683s with 710 fuselage and 91cm mast but 330 or 325 stabilizer when I get to OBX coming weekend.
I hope to see you guys on water
Hi grigor, Where did you order your shims from? While I'm tempted to sandwich and bit a plastic in there like trod, the shims you have pictured look the deal.
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby salvino » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:05 pm

I swapped out the stabilizer that comes with Onda set up to the 325.

Wow!

I moved mast 3 cm forward on 110cm strapless Grooveskate. I have 2 sessions on it. Unbelievable turning and freedom. My tacks are now adjusting. Sitting is more challenging to get pitch under control but that’s coming along.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby WH Lithuania » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:14 pm

This year I'm riding only flat water lake conditions and I find 683S more fun. I suspect that for waves 633 is still better, but that's something I'll need to confirm.


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Re: Moses 2019

Postby maximlg253 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:59 pm

I'm currently riding Zeeko foils and find Moses lineup confusing. Need help please.

I'm 215lbs, currently riding Zeeko Black&White or Carver, strapless. I can do flying jibes and some rodeos but still yet to learn tacks. I'm looking for faster setup with longer mast to help with bay swell. And with straps for jumping. I never venture on HF out into ocean waves.

- Would Vorace 101GT with T38 be a good choice for faster riding in bay swell and for jumping than my B&W?
- To learn tacks, would Zeeko Carver be a good choice or I should look at Moses 683S for easier learning?
- For strapless freeride in flat waters, how much more fun (if any) would be 683S with 101cm mast setup vs Zeeko Carver with 85cm alum mast? How about 633 wing?
- If I get 101GT setup and later decide to add 683S to the mix, would I need new fuselage and rear wing? If yes, which ones?

Thanks for help.
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:26 pm

maximlg253 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:59 pm
I'm currently riding Zeeko foils and find Moses lineup confusing. Need help please.

I'm 215lbs, currently riding Zeeko Black&White or Carver, strapless. I can do flying jibes and some rodeos but still yet to learn tacks. I'm looking for faster setup with longer mast to help with bay swell. And with straps for jumping. I never venture on HF out into ocean waves.

- Would Vorace 101GT with T38 be a good choice for faster riding in bay swell and for jumping than my B&W?
- To learn tacks, would Zeeko Carver be a good choice or I should look at Moses 683S for easier learning?
- For strapless freeride in flat waters, how much more fun (if any) would be 683S with 101cm mast setup vs Zeeko Carver with 85cm alum mast? How about 633 wing?
- If I get 101GT setup and later decide to add 683S to the mix, would I need new fuselage and rear wing? If yes, which ones?

Thanks for help.
Max
Can’t comment on Zeeko but to answer question of 683s vs 558 - these two wings are mounted onto different fuselages (surf and kite fuselage respectively)

558 is more suitable for jumping and is fast but I’d still opt out for slightly larger and thicker 590 which would suit your weight better. 590 delivers way better lowend and it is a bliss to ride. 558 is not bad but it’s pretty much a 2016 wing, 550 came after that, then 548 came a bit later and I’d consider 590 to top these all.
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:23 pm

last Friday, while wind forecast was crap but turned out to count for a riding day, on the West side of Real slick I ran into bunch of foilers. Met Brook from Tampa, FL on 9m Ozone and 633/483/91 and we swapped foils for 15 minutes so he rode mine 683s/710/450 and I got back on 633.

It was interesting to realize that 633 is more seaweed-proof compared to 683s. Looking down I could see those little strains accumulating on the leading edge of the wing.
I still like 683s better for higher end and I only hope we will see more arrowhead-shaped wings in the future.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby TomW » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:31 pm

I'm not jumping and not used the 558 wing, but have the 559-590-633 wings on a fluente mast.

I'm familiar with the Moses range.

Cost no object? I'd get a full vorace gt and fluente with 633 to cover jumping, performance freeride, and forgiving freeride on 633. The T38 and T22 board for each respectively.

These are completely different animals.

Cost saving: fluente mast, 558/330 + kite fuselage. 633/483 with surf fuselage on T38 board. Focus on freeride
Get the vorace mast if you focus on performance freeride.
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby Leo de Castro » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:46 am

8)
Hey guys..
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I just star today with Moses hydrofoil.
Around 14 pm with a 9 M Neo Duotone 2019. Quite new.
What a feeling, I'm a new in the foil but gush Smooth.

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now I can understand that wing, it's so interesting.

Aloha for everybody.
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