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PurdyKiter
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby PurdyKiter » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:16 pm

grigorib wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:43 pm
KS, just as BRM thrived upon slowness and inability of big boys to foresee/manufacture/sell light kites and pocketboards.
Re: Greg & BRM. I would much prefer a mfg who is not obsessed on forcing up the next big "Game Changer" onto the unsuspecting public every new year. Too often I've purchased too many toys thinking THIS is really it.... (Airush Sector 60, Fat Lady, etc, etc). Give me the designer who also daily goes out onto the water and rides/refines his product before hoisting it.
Also love my KS.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:28 pm

There are are "Game Changers” though - people got excited about lowend of 548, Moses was good to see the need for 590 (and should have continued a step further this year). The 633 was "the new which is well forgotten old" and largely thanks to Gunnar's pitch it picked up as a kitewing and it became a game changer.
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:03 pm

Did I mention that surf fuselage could be shorter, which brings back my question of why do we really need two different fuselages for kitefoiling
Here’s Stringy’s 610 (24”) fuselage with 420 stabilizer
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby dave1986 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:01 am

Can somebody please explain the differences between the Moses kite and surf fuselages?

1) Is there any performance difference between the old (2017) and new kite fuselage?
2) What is the difference between the various surf fuselages available (including aftermarket options).

Thanks!

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:18 pm

dave1986 wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:01 am
Can somebody please explain the differences between the Moses kite and surf fuselages?

1) Is there any performance difference between the old (2017) and new kite fuselage?
2) What is the difference between the various surf fuselages available (including aftermarket options).

Thanks!
Old kite fuselage has identical wing-mast-stabilizer position but the old one:
- has pointy, sticking out nose and tail (could be a safety concern)
- has a slight, tiny gap between surface of leading edge of the wing and mount surface of the fuselage
Two of above contribute to collecting seaweed if present where you ride. Otherwise it’s just fine fuselage to use

749/710 fuselages have different length but ride pretty much the same. Stringy’s 743 and 610 have mast positioned way closer to the wing which allows mounting mast more forward on the board (or keep the mast where it is if board holes are static)

I enjoy combination of 683s/710/450 as besides great foil combo it fits into foil pouch.
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby dave1986 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:33 pm

grigorib wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:18 pm
749/710 fuselages have different length but ride pretty much the same.
Thanks! I dont know which of these 749/710 I have!? Presumably one comes as standard?

Are Stringy fuselages available online?

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:39 pm

dave1986 wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:33 pm
grigorib wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:18 pm
749/710 fuselages have different length but ride pretty much the same.
Thanks! I dont know which of these 749/710 I have!? Presumably one comes as standard?

Are Stringy fuselages available online?

749 is standard surf fuselage sold from late fall 2017 till spring 2019 (also sold by Slingshot)
710 is standard surf fuselage sold from spring 2019

The numbers are length in millimeters, just measure it to find out what it is.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby PurdyKiter » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:24 pm

You can find Jim Stringfellow on Facebook (Cloudriders, and Hydrofoil groups. Also Northwest Kiteboarders). He is located in Vancouver WA near Portland.

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Re: Moses 2019

Postby grigorib » Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:26 am

Earth angel, earth angel
The two I adore
Ride you forever and even more

900 windsurf wing, 105cm mast - two separate angels
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Re: Moses 2019

Postby dave1986 » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:26 pm

grigorib wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:18 pm
749/710 fuselages have different length but ride pretty much the same.
Any idea why Moses decided to shorten the surf fuselage by 39mm? Must have been some logic behind the change?


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