Moses SABfoil

[dave1986]

550, 558, 718 are gone but are well covered by 671/590 and 800 respectively

But the 550 558 and 718 do have different characteristics to all of the newer wings.... the reason they have been discontinued is not because they're worse... but probably cos they can't justify so many wings in the lineup

[Tom Tom]

Still think the 550 is an absolutley great freeride wing.

[tkaraszewski]

What's everyone's opinion on how much more improvement we can expect to current moses kite hydrofoil designs?
I feel like the Moses (SAB) kite foil range covers pretty much every style and discipline of kite hydrofoil (550, 590, 670, 558, 679, 633, 695, 718, 800). Is something missing which should be covered in 2021?

Of course there is the opportunity to produce different designs for new applications (such as the recent 950 and 1100 wings).

I don't think it's specific to Moses, but I think basically everything reasonable has been tried now. We've passed the point of super-quick changes in foil wings with high-aspect surf wings being the last "big thing" here, and I expect subtle refinements from this point forward. Wingspans got wider, but I think they're gotten *too* wide for kiting with surf and pump wings, but of course people have already tried those for kiting, so there's nothing new there that nobody's done before. Expect subtle changes year to year, that the manufacturers sell as a big deal, but like with kites, are pretty incremental. Even at the super high end, the Mike's Lab bullet 6 is a pretty incremental improvement over the Bullet 3, and that's a race foil where the results are measurable. For freeride/surf foils where there's no objective measurement of "good", I think we're basically there already.

[grigorib]

What’s been both exciting and concerning that every new wing seemed to be somewhat experimental in nature - there was little evolution of specific lines and hopefully we’ll get closer to to several lines of wings sled to various rider weights - a race/freeride medium-high aspect thin wings and wave oriented - larger, medium-high aspect wings with thicker profile to not outrun waves

[grigorib]

550, 558, 718 are gone but are well covered by 671/590 and 800 respectively

But the 550 558 and 718 do have different characteristics to all of the newer wings.... the reason they have been discontinued is not because they're worse... but probably cos they can't justify so many wings in the lineup

All three of these could be easily covered with 671 and 800 or alternatively with 590 and 695, yet from different perspective the 671-800 and 550-695 would be two pairs of same wing actually scaled

[PrfctChaos]

The best thing Moses can do now is to stop putting the fuselage ontop of the wings. It is a bad detail for drag (creating big losses right where the wing is doing the most of its work.). But it would mean they need new fuselages and wings, so might be too extreme a change for them.

See Armstrong, Axis, Gofoil, Gong etc all avoid putting the fuselage ontop of the wing. Rather having a smooth wing and hiding the fuselage behind the wing.

[tkaraszewski]

The best thing Moses can do now is to stop putting the fuselage ontop of the wings. It is a bad detail for drag (creating big losses right where the wing is doing the most of its work.). But it would mean they need new fuselages and wings, so might be too extreme a change for them.

See Armstrong, Axis, Gofoil, Gong etc all avoid putting the fuselage ontop of the wing. Rather having a smooth wing and hiding the fuselage behind the wing.

They already did this for their race foil. They could make some more wings for that fuselage.

[tegirinenashi]

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[gmb13]

A big box just arrived from Italy.

World Premiere of the SABFoil 92 Mast, W940 Front wing, S370 Stabiliser and the thing you have all been asking for, the 710 Fuselage with M8 Screws for the Front Wings.

I can't wait to get on the water to test this setup.

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Gunnar

[grigorib]

....the 710 Fuselage with M8 Screws for the Front Wings.

Which wings would be compatible with M8 bolts? How would it work for old wings?