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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby Floating around » Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:18 am

A couple of new wings have appeared, 607 and 740. Look to be for kite only. 740 looks to be a possible 695/800 replacement?
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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby grigorib » Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:42 am

Floating around wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:18 am
A couple of new wings have appeared, 607 and 740. Look to be for kite only. 740 looks to be a possible 695/800 replacement?
And new, almost flat 425 stabilizer for those who want yaw-twitchy setup for waves. Also promises of 899-HS fuselage.

The 740 is an exciting wing! Kind of in between 671 and 800 and I’m sure many will love it.

New 425 is going to make lots of folks confused reading feedbacks on the old, great one. Moses did release 679 in the past claiming to have 14 sq.cm smaller area than 683s wing while both are identical and wingspan measures 686mm 🤷‍♂️

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby grigorib » Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:09 pm

Better late than sorry I got my Instagram account. https://instagram.com/grigorib7

Stay in touch folks

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby grandeand » Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:52 am

hi guys, has anyone tried the new 425 from sabfoil? difference with 483 or 450?
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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby gmb13 » Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:48 am

grandeand wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:52 am
hi guys, has anyone tried the new 425 from sabfoil? difference with 483 or 450?
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Yes. It is basically a bigger 370. It is faster than the 483. It is more pitch stable, but very neutral. Great for surfing and freeriding. It is nice and loose on the yaw axis like the 370

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby LeoLeal » Thu Aug 19, 2021 4:39 pm

gmb13 wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:48 am
grandeand wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:52 am
hi guys, has anyone tried the new 425 from sabfoil? difference with 483 or 450?
Screenshot_2021-08-19-09-48-26-639_com.android.chrome.jpg
Yes. It is basically a bigger 370. It is faster than the 483. It is more pitch stable, but very neutral. Great for surfing and freeriding. It is nice and loose on the yaw axis like the 370

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Gunnar,
Are you planning to review W1250?
What do you think it's more appropriate for Wing Student learn WingFoil in flat water, wind around 8 to 12 knots, Board 6'6"x30"x5" 135 liters and weight 80 - 90 Kg? W1250 or W1100?

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby BOEMIX » Thu Aug 19, 2021 4:56 pm

Having 3 wings collection myself (873, 950 and 679), it's curious how they're making so big wings over 2000cm2 and the next step down is a 1300 (950). Then you have 2 more almost identical 945, and 940.

I would like something in beetween in the 1600-1700 cm2 HA range, don't think so? It just feels so random sizing wise.

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby grigorib » Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:18 pm

LeoLeal wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 4:39 pm
gmb13 wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:48 am
grandeand wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:52 am
hi guys, has anyone tried the new 425 from sabfoil? difference with 483 or 450?
Screenshot_2021-08-19-09-48-26-639_com.android.chrome.jpg
Yes. It is basically a bigger 370. It is faster than the 483. It is more pitch stable, but very neutral. Great for surfing and freeriding. It is nice and loose on the yaw axis like the 370

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Gunnar
Gunnar,
Are you planning to review W1250?
What do you think it's more appropriate for Wing Student learn WingFoil in flat water, wind around 8 to 12 knots, Board 6'6" 30"x5" 135 liters and weight 80 - 90 Kg? W1250 or W1100?
I was told the 1100 is a good beginner wing which you’d outgrow quickly

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby a99 » Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:09 pm

grandeand wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:21 pm
gmb13 wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:52 am
adriatic wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 8:03 am


https://sabfoil.com/it/products/stabilizzatore-425-mm

Is this the same or a new design?
New design. Based off the S370. Completely flat, no winglets. Surf Stab.

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why, why, why .... they call it 425 but it has a different design than the 425. it was better to give it a different name. moreover, many of us asked Jimmy for the possibility of redoing the 425 a few years ago.
There is really not possible to understand Moses policy of very fast removing most successfull wing models from market: old 425 stab got best of best reviews and best comments - it was removed very fast from sales, the same story is with race wing 645 which was introduced after 637 and also got very very good reviews - it also gone very fast from Moses story. Still they kept for years 550 wing wich was not successfull model and had lot of complains about stability, but this wing was kept for 4-5 years in moses story for buying. So why Moses doing such strange marked moves, Can someone explain me?
Also strange move of Moses - this year they released new stabilizer and named it again 425, still this stab has different shape, seems that Moses want to erase from all foilers memories best of best and most successfull old 425 stab if they new stab titled also as 425, they can gave 424 or 426 name, but no, they put the same number 425, why???
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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021 SABfoil

Postby addictedtofoil » Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:39 pm

a99 wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:09 pm
grandeand wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:21 pm
gmb13 wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:52 am


New design. Based off the S370. Completely flat, no winglets. Surf Stab.

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Gunnar
why, why, why .... they call it 425 but it has a different design than the 425. it was better to give it a different name. moreover, many of us asked Jimmy for the possibility of redoing the 425 a few years ago.
There is really not possible to understand Moses policy of very fast removing most successfull wing models from market: old 425 stab got best of best reviews and best comments - it was removed very fast from sales, the same story is with race wing 645 which was introduced after 637 and also got very very good reviews - it also gone very fast from Moses story. Still they kept for years 550 wing wich was not successfull model and had lot of complains about stability, but this wing was kept for 4-5 years in moses story for buying. So why Moses doing such strange marked moves, Can someone explain me?
Yes I am trying to understand their logic for foil sizes and gaps in their range for winging too
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